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bespoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying beast has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our difference is worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening fade to black

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bespoke radio

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how you doing today's wednesday march

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75 days into the new year only 290

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of nowhere a total

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but it is beautiful

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it's beautiful in here

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states hither and

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tither to and fro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south far

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this is fade to black

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for kjcr the game changer and i next

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networks raise hobbs i am your host

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jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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our first time guests week here on fade

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we're gonna do that with tonight very

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special guest jazz shaw

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oh man here we go i'm ready for this

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jazz shaw is here i'm going to be

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talking about his latest articles how he

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more on that in just a bit tomorrow is

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another fader night with open lines all

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night long

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truly the greatest night in all of talk

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radio in all of the world it is fader

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for fader night okay all right

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on fade to black is such a big deal it's

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also a big deal to all of you and uh

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let's get straight to the breaking news

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james webb space telescope after

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of things to come

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march 11th ukraine officials said that

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of melatopa very soon and that the

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wow incredible prisoner exchange it

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that nuclear power plant those injured

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absolutely incredible let's get to show

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cracking happy birthday to today

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in resident alien right now we're in the

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egg episodes right okay if you know what

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i'm talking i'm not going to

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no spoiler alert but uh right now it's

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all about eggs

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and i i'm just gonna say this

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firefly if you go back to firefly

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everybody everybody on firefly was great

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there's yes yes and i get that i get

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in in firefly he was great

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and uh so there you go alan uh today is

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oh man how old is he today 38

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flavor flav today is 62.

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jimmy nail today is 68 i talk about

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jimmy nail all the time

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and before you go what what yeah

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still crazy and if you haven't seen the

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movie still crazy you need to go and

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watch it because it's one of my favorite

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and guitar goddess

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68. incredible you know what i did today

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i would do it for you right now but i

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would get hit but

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i listened to dreamboat annie oh man

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their first major release

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uh my stepfather john

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uh who recently passed away

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uh we went to a record store and he had

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the most amazing stereo system

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he taught me a lot about audio as a kid

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anyway so we go to this rock star and he

284
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was always buying

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these

286
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mastered virgin vinyl

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disc you know today they're popular back

288
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then it was like a really big deal right

289
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okay

290
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and and he bought

291
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dreamboat annie this master disc virgin

292
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vinyl version of the album

293
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and and i remember and i'm sitting there

294
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and and i'm looking at what he bought i

295
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just bought like van halen and you know

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whatever

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and um

298
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and i bust out dreamboat annie and i sit

299
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in his his audio chair you know and i

300
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put the headphones on

301
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and i listened to dreamboat annie i

302
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ended up making uh a cassette

303
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you know of that master disc

304
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and dreamboat annie to this day

305
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stands up to me as one of the greatest

306
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albums of all time and it's just

307
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incredible they recorded that at some

308
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little studio in vancouver

309
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independent record release you know and

310
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you listen it is just an incredible

311
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record happy birthday nancy wilson our

312
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dead guy's birthday today is

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jerry lewis

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1926 to 2017 died at the age of 91.

315
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jerry was known as the king of comedy

316
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and is regarded as one of the most

317
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significant american cultural figures of

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the 20th century his personal life made

319
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him a global figure in pop culture

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over an eight-decade career

321
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he died at his home in las vegas

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on august 20th in 2017

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at the age of 91.

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hard issues

325
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on this day in history 1926 it was a big

326
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one

327
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robert h goddard

328
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successfully launches the world's first

329
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liquid fueled rocket

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at auburn massachusetts

331
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the rocket was 10 feet tall we've all

332
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seen the pictures of it constructed out

333
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of thin pipes i still don't know how

334
00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:21,199
that thing flew and was fueled by liquid

335
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oxygen

336
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in gasoline

337
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on this day in 1926 otd fader fact

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plum island

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off the coast of new york and this is

340
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this is relevant this is irrelevant

341
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today

342
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now now fader fact

343
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okay i talked about plum island before

344
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but plum island off the coast of new

345
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york

346
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is owned

347
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by the pentagon

348
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and nobody can go there

349
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you cannot

350
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why

351
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well right now it's being used

352
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to run war games

353
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for a giant cyber attack

354
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on our power grid

355
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that's right that's what goes on at plum

356
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island that's your favorite fact tonight

357
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very special guest

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jazz shaw stop spy for the first time

359
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gonna be talking about his latest

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articles and how he got here tomorrow is

361
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another fader night

362
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with open lines all night long and right

363
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now

364
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i really need to hit

365
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yeah

366
00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,669
rivermoonwellness.com

367
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i like my coffee doc

368
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i do

369
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rivermoonwellness.com saw that i saw the

370
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tweet

371
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fade to black blend

372
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and uh

373
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and thank you for doing that and but

374
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said

375
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tonight we get to drink coffee with

376
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jimmy

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and i was like right on

378
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uh and i hope you're doing it right now

379
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:19,840
i want you to do this with me and then

380
00:19:27,909 --> 00:19:21,600
and tweet it again will you tweet it

381
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:30,070
because that's what you do

382
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:32,160
that's what you tweet right now and go

383
00:19:36,350 --> 00:19:35,039
yep that's what i'm doing

384
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:36,360
all right

385
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:38,000
rivermoonwellness.com links are over at

386
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jimmychurchradio.com

387
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i love talking

388
00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:48,480
i get you know what uh you know i ask

389
00:19:51,990 --> 00:19:50,080
questions all night long i'm learning

390
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:52,000
i'm sitting here i'm taking notes you

391
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:53,840
know i'm gonna do that tonight with josh

392
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:54,640
but

393
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here's

394
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:01,760
i get about

395
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:07,679
to let my

396
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:12,000
mind go to let you know where i am at

397
00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:14,559
right okay

398
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:17,600
and my journey

399
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:19,120
through life

400
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:21,919
to where i am today like

401
00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:23,120
right now

402
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:27,200
than now now has been an interesting one

403
00:20:31,990 --> 00:20:29,840
i mean like for sure it's been it's been

404
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:32,000
interesting

405
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,720
don't i i don't think it's it's like

406
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:38,880
write a book interesting and people

407
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:42,720
would be interested in in in my story i

408
00:20:46,830 --> 00:20:44,799
don't mean that like that but for me

409
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:46,840
it's certainly been

410
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:51,600
interesting and and i can say this

411
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,799
in the most matter of fact fashion that

412
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:57,120
i can

413
00:21:01,669 --> 00:21:00,000
i have always admired

414
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,679
journalists

415
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:03,760
newscasters

416
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,400
the nightly news

417
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,880
time magazine

418
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,320
talk radio

419
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,880
documentaries

420
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:14,640
the newspaper

421
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:19,669
yeah

422
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:22,320
that's i mean i it's weird i didn't

423
00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:25,360
really have a sports hero

424
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:28,400
i didn't really have the i didn't

425
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:30,960
i didn't do any of that didn't have a

426
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:33,280
favorite actor or actress growing i

427
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,039
didn't no

428
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:37,520
i was into

429
00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:39,760
60 minutes

430
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:40,720
right

431
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:41,679
my

432
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:51,840
had a a biography about howard hughes

433
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,280
i read that thing like 10 times

434
00:22:00,470 --> 00:21:57,600
what do you do doing something like that

435
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,480
at the age of 10.

436
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:01,760
now sure

437
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,360
art and music dominated my world

438
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,440
it's what i studied

439
00:22:13,350 --> 00:22:09,440
uh in school

440
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,360
um i had a great run at it i did

441
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:16,320
i did what i wanted to do and i enjoyed

442
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:17,360
it

443
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:18,640
but yeah

444
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:20,960
there were these two itches

445
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:26,390
journalism

446
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,400
and ufos

447
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:30,080
now you can look at those pictures of me

448
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:33,440
with my long flowing hair and i was 110

449
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:36,720
pounds with my guitar and spandex yeah

450
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,480
you can go look at and and sure yeah

451
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:42,960
yeah right i was a musician

452
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:47,120
a wannabe musician but but in my head

453
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:48,880
it was

454
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:52,320
journalism and ufos

455
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:56,480
back in indy probably around 1974.

456
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:58,559
i was in bed listening to my little

457
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:01,360
radio in the middle of the night

458
00:23:05,830 --> 00:23:02,799
you know i should have been sleeping i

459
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:05,840
wasn't i wasn't listening to music no no

460
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:06,799
no

461
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:10,000
i would spin that little tuner

462
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,679
until i found someone talking

463
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,600
and one night

464
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,679
i dialed something in and the host

465
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,600
whoever he was

466
00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:22,559
was telling the story about

467
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:25,600
the illuminati

468
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,000
about this group of people that run the

469
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,840
world from the background

470
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:31,120
right

471
00:23:37,110 --> 00:23:34,000
i'm like 10

472
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:37,120
right and how they have been doing it

473
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,269
heady stuff for sure especially at that

474
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:45,919
age and i really didn't understand it

475
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:49,120
but it certainly got my attention

476
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,669
illuminati

477
00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:59,990
it's actually a pizza place in chicago

478
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:02,320
anyway so i write it down illuminati

479
00:24:07,029 --> 00:24:05,120
i went to the library found nothing

480
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:07,039
i didn't ask anybody about it either i

481
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:08,880
just you know kind of kept it to myself

482
00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:11,120
but i never forgot it

483
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,520
the illuminati

484
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,880
yeah

485
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:17,039
while i was in panama a couple of years

486
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:18,640
later i mentioned

487
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,760
the illuminati to a friend

488
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,440
and told him the story about them

489
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,760
running the world now he had never heard

490
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:26,960
of them

491
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:30,480
and honestly he wasn't that impressed

492
00:24:35,269 --> 00:24:33,279
but i never forgot the illuminati so i

493
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:35,279
returned to the states and now i'm

494
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:38,080
probably 16 or 17 years old

495
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,039
and i brought them up to a friend of

496
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:42,960
mine's dad

497
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:46,799
and he shocked me when he replied

498
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,880
do you mean

499
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:49,760
the

500
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:52,400
illuminati

501
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:54,480
and i was like

502
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:55,919
what

503
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:57,120
yeah

504
00:25:04,310 --> 00:24:58,720
that night we talked about them for

505
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,320
hours because now i realized it was true

506
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:06,400
i mean i couldn't believe it

507
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:07,360
and

508
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:11,279
know i knew how to spell it i knew the

509
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,159
word

510
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,640
and yes the information was out there

511
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:16,720
and suddenly

512
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:19,919
russia's album 2112 had a whole

513
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:22,000
different meaning for me

514
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:23,840
and uh i really started to look at the

515
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,600
world a little differently at that point

516
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,960
but

517
00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:28,720
and it was things going through my mind

518
00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:30,159
like

519
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:33,840
who do i trust for information

520
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:37,760
what is what is real on the nightly news

521
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:40,640
you know my beloved time magazine was it

522
00:25:45,510 --> 00:25:44,480
fake right 60 minutes is it real

523
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:45,520
what about

524
00:25:54,830 --> 00:25:51,909
you know

525
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:54,840
was it really going on was this really

526
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:57,679
happening the illuminati running the

527
00:26:01,909 --> 00:26:00,080
world seriously yeah you know i'm i'm

528
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:01,919
playing guitar

529
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:04,559
i'm making a living drawing

530
00:26:10,549 --> 00:26:07,919
and art it's how i paid my bills but

531
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,559
but this thing was just consuming me in

532
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:12,159
the background

533
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,279
and one of the most mind-blowing facts

534
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:17,520
for me was well

535
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:20,159
who who out there

536
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:23,200
is really taking a chance and willing to

537
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:26,080
research cover present write and speak

538
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:27,840
about these things

539
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,559
in any form of the media because

540
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,720
they weren't giving it to me

541
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:34,799
and it seemed like the story was out

542
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:35,760
there

543
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,480
and people were talking about it

544
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,880
now there have been many chance takers

545
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,640
when it comes to truth revealing over

546
00:26:47,430 --> 00:26:44,000
the last

547
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,440
few thousand years

548
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:50,080
galileo for instance but anyway

549
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:51,919
and each one of them could have taken

550
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:55,760
the safer journey like galileo

551
00:27:02,549 --> 00:27:01,269
and that list

552
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:02,559
is really

553
00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:03,440
really

554
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,880
but today

555
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:08,880
they are here

556
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:14,070
those who

557
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:14,960
who

558
00:27:21,190 --> 00:27:19,200
take the safe road and and not get

559
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:21,200
involved with the stuff that can ruin a

560
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,320
professional path and too often we don't

561
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:26,799
stop and recognize what they have done

562
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,600
and continue to do for us

563
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,600
and for the truth

564
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:33,520
you know and and if you think about it

565
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:34,799
you know of course you know you've got

566
00:27:39,750 --> 00:27:36,880
like leslie kane and ralph blumenthal

567
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,760
and brian bender and dr robert shock he

568
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,000
got george nav he got tucker carlson avi

569
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,640
loge jacques valet

570
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,960
chris mellon lou elizondo and so many

571
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:49,120
more right the list is so long

572
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:50,880
and even those that are no longer with

573
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:53,520
us you know we stanton friedman for

574
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instance jim mars

575
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right

576
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lloyd pie

577
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,360
tonight we have jazz shaw with us

578
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:04,320
a journalist who could be playing it

579
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,520
safe

580
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:07,760
and just cover politics and sports and

581
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:11,120
defense spending right whatever

582
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:13,120
but he has also chosen

583
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to investigate and write about ufos

584
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,039
it is the historical kiss of death in

585
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,279
professional journalism

586
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:26,080
but but not for those who ultimately

587
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want to end up

588
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,559
on the right side of history

589
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why

590
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:35,679
well anyone who chooses this world

591
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does so for their own reasons

592
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:41,679
and and i have mine but but but one

593
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:44,320
thing is for sure

594
00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:47,840
they want to get to the truth

595
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,640
jazz shaw is one of those who doesn't

596
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,360
answer to the illuminati

597
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:55,039
or maybe he doesn't it's all just to

598
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:56,240
cover but

599
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:59,200
but uh after the break

600
00:29:04,789 --> 00:29:01,919
maybe we'll find out

601
00:29:07,990 --> 00:29:06,789
because tonight jazz shaw's stopping by

602
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for the first time we're gonna be

603
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talking about his latest articles and

604
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he's gonna tell us hopefully

605
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how we got here

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tomorrow is another fader night with

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open lines all night long i'm your host

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jimmy church i'm the game changer and

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annex networks racehops

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this is fade to black i'll be right back

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with our guest jas shaw right after this

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short break

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on the game changer radio network

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700
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you're listening to jimmy

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00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:01,549
what's up i'm chris what up this

702
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,909
all right welcome back fate to black i

703
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:23,760
am your host jimmy church tonight jazz

704
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:26,720
shaw is with us for the first time

705
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,760
that's all right tomorrow night's

706
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:29,679
another fader night with open lines all

707
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:31,040
night long

708
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:32,839
but tonight it's all about

709
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:34,639
jazz we're going to be talking about his

710
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:36,879
latest articles including

711
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:38,879
report the pentagon is planning to

712
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,159
classify all of the uap task force ufo

713
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,879
data and quote that's the headline all

714
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,399
of that and much more with one of the

715
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,159
leading voices in journalism when it

716
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:50,399
comes to the topic of ufos

717
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:52,879
jazz is a u.s navy veteran military

718
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:55,599
radar technician and a reporter who has

719
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,079
been featured at the debris salem media

720
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:59,920
network national review the washington

721
00:35:04,670 --> 00:35:02,240
examiner and other print radio outlets

722
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:04,680
he has both reported on and experience

723
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,800
inexplicable things in our skies and

724
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:08,960
maintains an interest in the curious

725
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,280
nature of our reality and if you want a

726
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:13,520
full dose of jazz shaw just head

727
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,560
straight over to the debrief

728
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,079
all right i would like to welcome the

729
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:20,800
first time jazz shot yes

730
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:23,200
how you doing man good evening

731
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:24,320
dude

732
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,480
this is amazing you know

733
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,880
thanks for having me on you know it's uh

734
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,200
i've been loving your show and it's

735
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,200
great to be here thank you well and and

736
00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,280
thank you jazz and the honor is all mine

737
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:37,359
but uh the best part of it is you get

738
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:40,160
the first time guest disclaimer

739
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,680
you ready

740
00:35:47,030 --> 00:35:42,960
i'm ready

741
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:47,040
just you and i sitting on my couch

742
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,280
having a conversation as friends and

743
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:51,119
where that conversation starts it starts

744
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,640
where it ends it ends

745
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,480
but we're gonna end his friends

746
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:56,320
there you go

747
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:00,320
i i hope so definitely you know um uh i

748
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:04,720
am so curious um as to

749
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:07,680
how you got here

750
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,680
because looking at your history and

751
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,599
certainly reading

752
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:16,720
uh

753
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:19,040
your articles and the breadth of the

754
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,800
things that you cover

755
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:22,240
um

756
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,200
i can

757
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:25,040
i get a sense

758
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:27,920
that you write about and and

759
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:30,320
investigating research into

760
00:36:33,589 --> 00:36:31,760
things that

761
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:33,599
capture your interest whether it's it's

762
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,320
politics or politics and sports or

763
00:36:41,510 --> 00:36:38,880
sports and defense or defense and sport

764
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:41,520
right it's like everything kind of is

765
00:36:47,829 --> 00:36:44,560
connected in your world but but you

766
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:47,839
write about the things that interest you

767
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:51,280
and now it's it's ufos so let's let's

768
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,960
back up for a second and you're still

769
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:54,800
writing about you know everything else

770
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:55,599
uh

771
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:58,000
that that pays the bills for sure

772
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:01,280
but uh going back through your life

773
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:04,079
where did this interest in ufos start it

774
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:05,920
was this late in life or did something

775
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:08,960
happen when you were a kid

776
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:11,119
um no uh

777
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:12,800
well

778
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,040
you know jimmy

779
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:17,200
like many people i

780
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:18,240
i'm

781
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,440
way older i could be your dad basically

782
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:22,720
but

783
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:25,680
you know i i always had an interest in

784
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,480
outer space and all that stuff

785
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:30,880
uh a lot of people that we know that we

786
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:31,839
talked to

787
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,640
who cover this grew up like in the 90s

788
00:37:38,870 --> 00:37:36,000
you know and they were like watching

789
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:38,880
x-files and stuff i grew up in the 60s

790
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:39,760
you know

791
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:40,720
and

792
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,800
but back then

793
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:48,880
you know we we were

794
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:52,160
watching a lot of different media you

795
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:55,200
know and i i found it all fascinating

796
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,240
you know

797
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,800
it goes all the way back to all the old

798
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,200
ufo stories and things like that

799
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:03,200
it was mostly science fiction

800
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:06,640
and for most of my life until i was 61

801
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:07,839
years old

802
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,000
it was all just hypothetical you know it

803
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,839
was like science fiction really

804
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,160
fascinating is there life out in the

805
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:16,000
universe besides ours

806
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,880
always thought so a lot of people did

807
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:20,720
a lot of great stories

808
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:21,920
and

809
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:25,680
wasn't

810
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:27,920
frankly to use the correct phrase i

811
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:30,240
wasn't allowed to write about ufos

812
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,240
um until uh january of 2018

813
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:36,720
and before that i covered a lot of other

814
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,800
stuff yeah i had an interest but it was

815
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,079
mostly like

816
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,480
well that looks curious you know is that

817
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,640
possible like a lot of people it's like

818
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:46,480
you know is there other life in the

819
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:48,880
universe seems really likely right you

820
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,680
know

821
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:51,440
and then

822
00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,599
a lot of stuff changed after the

823
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:54,720
december

824
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:57,680
2017 uh new york times article

825
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,400
and i actually

826
00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,560
got assigned and was allowed to

827
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:04,640
write about the topic as a real science

828
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:05,520
thing

829
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:10,000
me professionally now

830
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:12,160
why did this is

831
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:13,040
um

832
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:15,200
uh this is a question

833
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,160
uh that i need to point at you directly

834
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:20,640
because i know that you've thought about

835
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:21,359
it

836
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:23,200
but you are

837
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:25,280
a professional journalist this is what

838
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:26,800
you do

839
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:27,680
and

840
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:31,760
with a guest

841
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:33,359
uh about

842
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:34,560
the

843
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,400
censorship of ufos in in professional

844
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,240
journalism over the years

845
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:42,400
and this is a basic

846
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,680
this is a basic rule in journalism

847
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,160
uh that goes back decades that it's a

848
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,000
subject that is

849
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:52,240
uh not going to be written about or

850
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:53,440
researched

851
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,000
um at this publication at this network

852
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:58,079
that's not what we do

853
00:40:02,710 --> 00:40:01,920
and it it this is a real thing isn't it

854
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:02,720
and

855
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,880
uh just by your statement right there

856
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:09,599
that you are speaking from experience

857
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,119
that ufos was something that was

858
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:15,520
untouchable

859
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,000
oh it in our group um

860
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,480
and i don't say it disparagingly it it

861
00:40:27,109 --> 00:40:22,720
was just a fact of life

862
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,119
uh i i write about energy policy i write

863
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,119
about uh you know

864
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,680
government interaction on any number of

865
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:33,520
things foreign policy

866
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:36,640
you know and nobody wrote about that

867
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:39,280
at our network and

868
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:42,079
it was only after that

869
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:45,200
december 2017 new york times article

870
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:48,400
i actually had to go and ask permission

871
00:40:53,589 --> 00:40:51,680
to say hey this is in the new york times

872
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:53,599
this isn't you know

873
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,480
some

874
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:56,400
you know crazy people seeing you know

875
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,920
something up in the sky

876
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,520
you know and

877
00:41:02,710 --> 00:41:01,440
this is a real story that involves the

878
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,720
government

879
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:04,240
and it took me

880
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:06,160
uh i asked as soon as the article came

881
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,520
out it took a couple of weeks it was

882
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,760
january or the following year right when

883
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,680
i finally

884
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,520
got a response saying

885
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,599
well okay

886
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,000
maybe we can try this

887
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,000
you know go ahead it involves the

888
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,480
government so it you know it's a

889
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:24,560
valid topic let's go ahead and try it

890
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:25,920
see how it goes

891
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,160
the first article i wrote was in january

892
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:30,000
of of 2018

893
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,359
and on our site it was the highest

894
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,040
traffic article

895
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:36,960
for the next three months

896
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,040
you know and

897
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:40,960
more stories kept coming out and i was

898
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:41,839
like

899
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:45,760
it took about three times and then i got

900
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:48,079
an answer back from our management uh at

901
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:51,040
salem media and they were like okay i i

902
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,440
guess you're the ufo guy now

903
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:56,000
but let's go ahead and do that

904
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,680
and i've been doing it ever since you

905
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,000
know but yeah there there was a big

906
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:03,200
transition for them to to to say okay

907
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:04,560
we're going to have one of our people

908
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:06,880
that's on the front page and goes into

909
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:09,599
our print editions and goes out on our

910
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:11,680
radio network you know can we talk about

911
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,400
this

912
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,319
and they said

913
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,480
well this is working people there's

914
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,720
definitely a lot of interest you know

915
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,119
and uh that's how it got started and i

916
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,760
became for better or worse quote the ufo

917
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,400
guy and i've been the ufo guy ever since

918
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,800
and i've been asked to write for a

919
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,720
number of other outlets

920
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,720
when there are

921
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:34,319
i won't name any names but there are

922
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:35,760
places that

923
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:37,839
want to cover the topic because there is

924
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:40,079
a lot of interest but they don't want

925
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,359
their own

926
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,440
old hard-line people

927
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:45,359
writing about it because it's like well

928
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,800
you know well we don't want to be

929
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:48,720
talking about that so let's go get the

930
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,280
ufo guy to talk about it so that i guess

931
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,119
that's sort of been my niche you know

932
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:55,440
since then did you ever did you ever

933
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,400
imagine yourself uh being

934
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,200
the cool guy was the ufo guy

935
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,520
because that you are now

936
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,319
right you're the cool guy

937
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:08,800
well in some circles i guess

938
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,680
um you know i but but

939
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,119
how uh

940
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,119
what a brave new world we're in

941
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:17,440
you know for for that to even be

942
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:20,240
contemplated as a thought

943
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:21,520
because it's

944
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:24,400
it's it's actually a conversation

945
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:27,760
no it's it's totally a conversation and

946
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,720
i i live in this sort of

947
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:32,800
for lack of a better phrase

948
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:35,440
a schizophrenic world professionally

949
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:39,119
because when i write about this subject

950
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:41,040
and when i go on radio shows and talk

951
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:42,720
about this subject

952
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,000
i have to part of me is still like well

953
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,560
you're the journalist we have to go well

954
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:50,800
who in the government is saying what

955
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,160
you know and is this possible

956
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,680
and

957
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,359
what

958
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:59,440
motions are being taken

959
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:01,280
you know that we're moving forward

960
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:03,040
kirsten gillibrand

961
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:04,000
you know

962
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:05,440
the whole

963
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,040
uap task force and the new uh whatever

964
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,000
the bizarre acronym is you know uh task

965
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,319
force that's all part of it and i'm like

966
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,560
and i feel the impulse

967
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:18,800
to write articles and go well what are

968
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:20,319
they saying and what is this person

969
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:21,760
saying and

970
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,960
could this be real and what's the

971
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:24,560
military saying

972
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:26,480
but then there's another part of me and

973
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,599
and like i

974
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:29,839
hinted earlier

975
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,640
everything for me changed in november of

976
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:34,240
2020

977
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:35,839
and there's another part of me in the

978
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,440
background when i'm sitting there typing

979
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:39,680
away and writing articles it's like

980
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:42,960
i'm the guy who's seen five ufos in the

981
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,240
last 15 months you know and

982
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:48,800
but you can't

983
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:49,599
in

984
00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:51,520
today's journalism you still can't go

985
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:52,720
out and

986
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:53,680
go

987
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:56,800
of course this is real you know and i

988
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,560
don't i don't get to do that no you

989
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:00,240
can't answer and you can't insert

990
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,960
yourself into the story right you know

991
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:04,640
but the problem is

992
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,880
in the background i am part of this you

993
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,119
are you are the crazy person that you

994
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:11,359
i've been hearing about it that's right

995
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:13,119
and uh now um

996
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:16,000
tell me uh and tell tell the audience

997
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:19,359
let's let's go through this um so you

998
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:22,880
know 61 years in in in the green zone

999
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:23,839
right

1000
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,760
you haven't crossed the double yellow

1001
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:27,760
line yet

1002
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:30,480
61 years go by and then

1003
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:34,079
you see something what happened

1004
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:35,359
well

1005
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,119
i should be clear i mean

1006
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:38,880
for 61 years

1007
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:40,960
there were a couple of times

1008
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:41,680
ye

1009
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:44,319
i saw you know maybe some weird lights

1010
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:46,880
in the sky right but i think everybody

1011
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,200
does and you look at that and you're

1012
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,680
like well that's weird right

1013
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:53,440
you know that

1014
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:55,040
well but it could be

1015
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:56,800
who knows you know in the modern era

1016
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,720
drones it could be i don't know what a

1017
00:46:01,349 --> 00:46:00,319
settle it looks like you know all that

1018
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,359
stuff

1019
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:03,760
and then in november of 2020 my wife and

1020
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:07,040
i uh in one week saw two

1021
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:08,400
ufos

1022
00:46:13,109 --> 00:46:11,359
um not lights in the sky well tell me

1023
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,119
tell i want to hear about both tell me

1024
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,119
about the first one

1025
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,000
and and and before you do what side of

1026
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:20,880
the fences is your wife on

1027
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,920
oh she's

1028
00:46:27,030 --> 00:46:23,839
she never

1029
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:27,040
thought anything about any of this until

1030
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,359
november of 2012. this is great

1031
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,119
and now she's just like

1032
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,680
uh we we've we've tried to film like

1033
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,520
every one of the sightings we had

1034
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:38,000
one of them was one that she filmed i

1035
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,520
mean she's been there for the whole

1036
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:42,000
thing right you know and everything

1037
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,280
changed for us

1038
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,520
you know so

1039
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:47,599
yeah it was uh

1040
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:51,520
it was wild um in november of 2020 i

1041
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:52,640
walked out

1042
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:54,839
one evening on my porch

1043
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,319
and my porch face is east you're in new

1044
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,800
york you're in the state of new york uh

1045
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:02,240
upstate upstate new york during the

1046
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,240
pennsylvania border yeah

1047
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,480
and i just saw this weird thing in the

1048
00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:08,800
sky it wasn't a light it wasn't a point

1049
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:11,119
of light it wasn't a starling satellite

1050
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,760
it was a big round thing

1051
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:15,920
i don't know what it was to this day

1052
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:19,119
um it was it had various colors that

1053
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,880
were shifting and going back and forth

1054
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:22,240
and i went out

1055
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:23,760
and i walked across the street to get

1056
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:24,880
away from the street lights and i

1057
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:26,559
started filming it if you go to my

1058
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,720
youtube channel i have like a more than

1059
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,359
five minute long video that i shot of

1060
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:33,119
this thing that was just

1061
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:36,000
this big round ball basically that's

1062
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,680
what it looked like with all these

1063
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,680
different colors and it was just sort of

1064
00:47:43,990 --> 00:47:41,359
drifting back and forth above the

1065
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:44,000
horizon it was a little ways away

1066
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:45,359
and

1067
00:48:02,710 --> 00:47:46,319
i

1068
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:02,720
you know

1069
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,359
um later the exact same week

1070
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:07,520
my wife was out walking the dog

1071
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:09,680
um our dog

1072
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:12,559
we lived near the end of a block and she

1073
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:14,319
was on the street

1074
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,960
uh with only one house between us

1075
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,280
and she looked up and i was out in the

1076
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:21,599
back deck on our house

1077
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:24,720
and something came over our house

1078
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:25,599
and

1079
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:27,200
unlike the other one that was very far

1080
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:28,160
away

1081
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:30,319
this was something that

1082
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:31,200
was

1083
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:35,280
total crap by the way so don't get your

1084
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:36,400
hopes up

1085
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:37,280
um

1086
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:38,640
it was just something that was

1087
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:40,960
triangular in shape

1088
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,040
and it had all these little weird little

1089
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,599
shifting lights that moved and they

1090
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:48,480
moved in relation to each other it's not

1091
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:50,880
like they were attached to something

1092
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:53,599
but it was a triangle and it just it

1093
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:56,640
sailed very slowly very silently

1094
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,280
right over the top of our house

1095
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:01,599
and we both watched it go by and it just

1096
00:49:04,230 --> 00:49:02,640
went off

1097
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:04,240
into the distance

1098
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:05,520
and

1099
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:07,280
that one was the one i think where both

1100
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:10,319
of us are like holy crap yeah yeah yeah

1101
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:13,599
yeah weird going on here yeah how big

1102
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:16,960
how big how big was it hard to say don't

1103
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:19,599
know how high it was it was an overcast

1104
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:22,240
night it was low enough to be below the

1105
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:23,280
clouds

1106
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:24,640
uh it could have been a couple thousand

1107
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:26,720
feet up so

1108
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:29,119
i would it it was hundreds of feet

1109
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,079
across wow you know i mean it was big

1110
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:33,760
you know

1111
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:36,640
and then the other three that we saw uh

1112
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:39,280
starting in june of last year

1113
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:41,920
uh they were all tic tacs and they were

1114
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,400
not and that's the word i use because

1115
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:46,079
everybody's been using it

1116
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:48,800
um they were not at night they were not

1117
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:51,440
ambiguous it was broad daylight in a

1118
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:55,040
clear blue sky and we saw tic tac show

1119
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:55,839
up

1120
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,960
they were just these oval things

1121
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,559
that were

1122
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,119
white or of some very light color

1123
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:05,280
and they came out from the west every

1124
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:07,359
time same pattern every time

1125
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:08,800
came from the west heading towards the

1126
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,200
east and then stopped

1127
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:13,520
and i have one video on my youtube

1128
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:15,280
channel you can

1129
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,160
see it it's not a great video again

1130
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:19,760
they're all crap

1131
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:22,160
but one videographer went and did a

1132
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,160
rendering of it you know and actually

1133
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:26,480
got the look of this thing that looked

1134
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:28,400
just like a lozenge

1135
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:30,640
and he color corrected it and it sat

1136
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,520
there

1137
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:33,920
it well it was going across west east

1138
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:36,079
stopped in midair

1139
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:39,119
above our house a little ways over

1140
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:40,640
to the north of us

1141
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:44,559
and then slightly turned and rotated

1142
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,520
and then it just disappeared

1143
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,520
it didn't fly away it didn't crash it

1144
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:50,640
didn't land

1145
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,559
it vanished it's like you look at the

1146
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:55,200
video there's one frame it's there

1147
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,599
and the next frame it's a clear blue sky

1148
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:00,000
wow and we saw that three times

1149
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:03,040
wow you know and so it's it's been crazy

1150
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:05,440
so i mean that's really impacted

1151
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:08,000
my ability to report responsibly about

1152
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,079
this because i hear all the discussions

1153
00:51:13,030 --> 00:51:12,240
and i understand the discussions you

1154
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:13,040
know

1155
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:14,480
but then in the back of my mind it's

1156
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,760
like but also

1157
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:17,520
dude come on

1158
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,359
you know it's like

1159
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:21,520
there's no explanation for that

1160
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,200
at least i don't have one

1161
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:25,280
so yeah that's my personal experience i

1162
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:27,040
mean we've seen five

1163
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:28,160
so far

1164
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:30,240
uh three different types uh the last

1165
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,520
three were all

1166
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:33,599
for lack of a better word tic tacs

1167
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:36,400
and so that's the world i live in now

1168
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:37,920
jamie it's like

1169
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:40,160
it's like you've seen that

1170
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,400
how do you go back after that you don't

1171
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:44,720
you don't you don't

1172
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:47,839
and and and here's the thing uh for me

1173
00:51:50,549 --> 00:51:49,280
um

1174
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,559
is that

1175
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,119
once you have

1176
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,200
one experience it doesn't matter what it

1177
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,359
is uh for you it could be the triangle

1178
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:59,599
the tic tac is pretty crazy too as well

1179
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:02,160
but once you have that

1180
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:04,559
nobody can take that from you

1181
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:05,839
that's it

1182
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:07,839
nobody's going to tell you you didn't

1183
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:09,040
see it

1184
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:11,920
you saw it and that that's it now you

1185
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:13,839
need to figure out

1186
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:16,319
what is going on

1187
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,720
that's that's that's all you can do is

1188
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:20,640
is put one foot in front of the other

1189
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,760
that's it i've i've chosen that

1190
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,839
that too in my life i've i've seen what

1191
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:27,920
i've seen i don't want to hear from

1192
00:52:31,510 --> 00:52:30,640
anybody else uh especially

1193
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:31,520
uh

1194
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:32,960
somebody out there that's going to tell

1195
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:35,760
me i had some kind of psychosis or i

1196
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,800
imagined it no i saw it with somebody in

1197
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:40,319
your case you saw it with your wife

1198
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,280
right

1199
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:43,200
that's it that's that's the end of the

1200
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:44,720
story and

1201
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:47,520
nobody is going to take that from you or

1202
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:49,520
tell you that you didn't see what you

1203
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:52,400
saw it's that simple isn't it

1204
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,200
well

1205
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,040
it it is for you

1206
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:57,440
and when i say you i mean us everybody

1207
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,440
who's been through that right

1208
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,599
but if you work as a journalist you

1209
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,200
still have to realize you're talking to

1210
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:05,520
an audience with a lot of people that

1211
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:09,440
have not had that experience right right

1212
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:10,480
and

1213
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:13,119
that that's where i get that sort of

1214
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:16,160
schizophrenic line that i have to walk

1215
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:17,680
because i have to write articles about

1216
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:19,599
things and it's like you know well now

1217
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,040
the government's talking about it and

1218
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:23,040
the government's saying yeah there's

1219
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,640
definitely these things and it's not the

1220
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:26,400
russians it's not the chinese it's not

1221
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:27,760
us we've all been through all these

1222
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:29,200
stories we don't need to rehash them

1223
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,240
again you know but you you still have to

1224
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,880
approach it to talk to an audience

1225
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:36,720
that's that hasn't

1226
00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:39,119
had that experience but in the back your

1227
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:40,720
mind it's like

1228
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:44,160
dude i was there i watched it you know

1229
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:45,680
and

1230
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:48,000
does that mean i know what it was no

1231
00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:49,359
people asked me that all the time it's

1232
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,839
like so was it aliens

1233
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:53,440
jimmy i've never seen an alien i've

1234
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:56,559
never seen a being i've never all i saw

1235
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,119
was some crap that shows up in the sky

1236
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,680
you know nobody ever tried to talk to me

1237
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:03,839
that i'm aware of you know nothing like

1238
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,880
that

1239
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:07,119
but it does change your perspective it

1240
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:10,160
changes it a lot because it's like well

1241
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:11,760
the government says they don't know what

1242
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:15,040
it is and i don't know what it is and

1243
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:18,240
but it's something right you know

1244
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:20,000
and

1245
00:54:23,910 --> 00:54:21,760
i don't know it makes the conversation

1246
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,920
hard if you're a journalist you have to

1247
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,359
you have to go and do responsible

1248
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:27,359
reporting i don't have any proof of any

1249
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:29,920
of this you know like i said you can go

1250
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,319
to my youtube channel you can look i got

1251
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:34,559
a five minute video of the first one we

1252
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,760
saw that

1253
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:37,440
orb looking thing

1254
00:54:42,549 --> 00:54:38,640
but

1255
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:42,559
prove anything

1256
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:44,720
you know and my videos of the tic tacs

1257
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:47,599
were just crap you know it's it's a cell

1258
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,599
phone you're pointing up at the sky you

1259
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:51,440
know it's it's not good

1260
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,799
but

1261
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:54,960
when you're there in person you see it

1262
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,839
and

1263
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:57,520
but now you have to go write about it

1264
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:59,200
right and i mean you're a journalist

1265
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:00,480
professionally

1266
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,319
it's like where do you draw the line how

1267
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:03,839
do you say

1268
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,680
well i'm just going to discount anything

1269
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:07,680
that you save if you don't believe it

1270
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:09,760
well you really can't because it's kind

1271
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:12,000
of an unbelievable thing

1272
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:12,799
and

1273
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,559
if you talk to me before november of

1274
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,839
2020

1275
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:17,760
i was always like yeah it's really

1276
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:20,559
interesting that could be something but

1277
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,720
you might be crazy right you know right

1278
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,640
or whatever you know

1279
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:26,559
and then suddenly i was the person who's

1280
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:28,960
like well i guess they're saying i might

1281
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:31,920
be crazy right you know how do you

1282
00:55:36,630 --> 00:55:34,160
bridge that so i i think it's a

1283
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,640
challenge in journalism well okay and

1284
00:55:42,069 --> 00:55:38,720
there's another uh before we get to the

1285
00:55:45,990 --> 00:55:42,079
break uh i wanted to ask you about this

1286
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:46,000
um you are a professional journalist you

1287
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:46,960
have

1288
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,119
that little blue check mark in twitter

1289
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:51,599
you you have a verified account

1290
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,400
which signals a level of

1291
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:56,559
vettedness out there in in the

1292
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:58,480
professional world

1293
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:01,359
and you've also chosen to

1294
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:03,119
stir the pot

1295
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:06,480
in in ufo circles and

1296
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:09,040
and how is your perspective you're

1297
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,480
laughing because you know what i'm

1298
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:12,720
talking about how how is your

1299
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:14,839
perspective changed in

1300
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:17,920
commenting on this subject in in the

1301
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,640
public like that in in the forum of

1302
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:26,789
oh quite a bit yeah um it it was a

1303
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,710
is you don't hold back

1304
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:39,430
no i i don't hold back on twitter

1305
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:40,720
but again going back to the

1306
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,799
schizophrenic thing i mentioned

1307
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:44,880
i do hold back in my professional

1308
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:46,000
writing

1309
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,119
i write

1310
00:56:51,990 --> 00:56:49,760
articles in very various places when i

1311
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:52,000
write at our main outlet

1312
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,760
which is just a

1313
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:55,040
basically

1314
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:57,680
conservative facts upfront

1315
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:58,640
you know

1316
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,160
news outlet

1317
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:02,640
i always just try to include

1318
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:04,799
all the comments from the government

1319
00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:07,359
you know anybody in the government

1320
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,680
what's the data what can we show

1321
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,040
and then i write it places like the

1322
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:13,359
debrief and i've been asked to write it

1323
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,960
like national review because they don't

1324
00:57:18,789 --> 00:57:16,640
want to talk about ufos and they need a

1325
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:18,799
crazy person to come you know write an

1326
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,559
article about it and i write it for them

1327
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:22,960
you know and then i'm i'm the guy who

1328
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:24,160
saw it

1329
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,680
right so

1330
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:27,119
there's sort of a

1331
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:28,640
does that make sense there's a break

1332
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:31,359
there in my regular job i try to write

1333
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:34,079
about the who what when where how

1334
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,079
you know and what's going on and what

1335
00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:38,400
are the what's kirsten gillibrand saying

1336
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:40,720
you know and what's this new task force

1337
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,599
doing

1338
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,520
things like that

1339
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:45,440
but then there's a break when i go to

1340
00:57:49,270 --> 00:57:47,359
other places where

1341
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:49,280
do you allow your own personal

1342
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:51,280
experience to come into it and at that

1343
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:53,680
point i'm like are you kidding me

1344
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:56,799
i've seen it all right this is real

1345
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:00,559
you know so yeah there's there's a big

1346
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:02,799
there's a gap in what i do

1347
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,680
um

1348
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:05,760
it it's an uncomfortable thing

1349
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:08,400
to explain but i'm glad you asked but

1350
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:10,960
yeah it there is a difference i mean do

1351
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,799
you talk about your own experience or do

1352
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:14,079
you do you

1353
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,520
try to do just

1354
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,280
hard line reporting

1355
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,599
yeah yeah

1356
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:21,280
there's a big break there i i had to

1357
00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:23,760
make that decision myself

1358
00:58:25,910 --> 00:58:24,880
and

1359
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:25,920
when

1360
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:26,720
uh

1361
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:28,000
that

1362
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:32,640
had a siding with

1363
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:35,520
with a large group of people

1364
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:38,000
and i was going to be on coast to coast

1365
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:40,000
that week

1366
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:41,520
for the weekend

1367
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:42,720
and

1368
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:45,280
do i

1369
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,720
because you know on coast i'm

1370
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:48,480
interviewing the guest you know it's not

1371
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:50,480
about me it's the guest right and it's a

1372
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:54,240
big frigging audience it's an important

1373
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,079
uh position to have as

1374
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:58,160
as a host of a show like that's

1375
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:59,200
the same as

1376
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,960
fade to black but

1377
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:02,960
do i

1378
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,160
crossed the line and i asked myself this

1379
00:59:09,670 --> 00:59:08,240
jazz which is exactly what you're

1380
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:09,680
referring to

1381
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:11,839
i asked myself if

1382
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:12,720
if

1383
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:18,480
you know pick somebody right

1384
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:19,520
uh

1385
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:21,119
tucker carlson

1386
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:22,240
if they

1387
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,640
saw what i saw

1388
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,000
at that moment

1389
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:28,960
would they go on the air the next night

1390
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:31,040
and talk about it

1391
00:59:36,390 --> 00:59:34,480
and no i i'm i'm sure that they wouldn't

1392
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:36,400
it doesn't matter i just don't think

1393
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:38,880
that they would and that's what made up

1394
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,480
my mind

1395
00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:42,640
i said you know what i i am going to do

1396
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:44,160
this for the community there's too many

1397
00:59:47,910 --> 00:59:46,319
people here that saw this i'm going to

1398
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:47,920
go ahead

1399
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:50,799
and talk about it i'm going to cross the

1400
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:53,680
line and inject myself into the story

1401
00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,119
into the narrative

1402
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:57,599
and and i'm glad that i did it

1403
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:00,000
it was a it was a journalistic role of

1404
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:06,470
yep

1405
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:08,799
and here's that i i wish i i wish i had

1406
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:11,520
done it sooner i do but i didn't have

1407
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:14,000
your level of bravery i was still going

1408
01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:15,599
out and just trying to write about it

1409
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:16,480
like

1410
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:17,839
well here's what the government's saying

1411
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:19,680
here here's what the pentagon said right

1412
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:22,319
here's what lou alexander said you know

1413
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and i focused on all of that and it took

1414
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:26,079
me a long time to cross the line that

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you crossed before i came out and

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01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,200
actually

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01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:31,280
publicly wrote anything and said you

1418
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know what i was there

1419
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:36,720
i saw it it happened it's not fake you

1420
01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:39,599
know and i got a lot of i got a lot of

1421
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:41,599
blow back from that i'm sure you did but

1422
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:43,359
i i think people have to do that

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eventually

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you got to be on the right side of

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history man and and that's the choice

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you have to make this is fade to black

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we're going to take our break right here

1428
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:54,640
tonight jazz shaw is with us it's going

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to be one of those nights on this show

1430
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i'm very excited chad shaw is with us

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for the first time

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this is faded black i'm going to be

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church more with jazz after this short

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damn it

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jimmy church and fade to black on the

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listen i know and you know that you've

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always wanted your first crystal skull

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or maybe you're a collector just like me

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find the real thing

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interest in unexplained phenomena like

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ghosts bigfoot and ufos and by now you

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know that we have our own ex-blog the

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1498
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include whitley strieber micah hanks

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and wayne lawrence lee spiegel debbie

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01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:35,520
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1502
01:04:40,230 --> 01:04:38,559
ray hernandez there will also be a live

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1505
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:45,200
hang out with us in the safety of home

1506
01:04:51,670 --> 01:04:48,319
as we set out to explain the unexplained

1507
01:04:55,470 --> 01:04:51,680
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1510
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01:05:20,829 --> 01:05:17,599
friend jimmy church fade to black

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01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:23,359
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1514
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:26,079
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1515
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:27,839
and this is ari gold we're the honey

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1517
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,400
gold we're the honey brothers

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01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,640
and you're listening to jimmy church a

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1520
01:05:43,829 --> 01:05:41,920
this is jimmy churchill fade to black

1521
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:43,839
and you can become an official fate or

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01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:46,160
not by just going to our membership

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1524
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:52,470
hello this is serena wright taylor from

1525
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:54,799
conscious life expo and you're listening

1526
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:57,200
to fade to black with jimmy church who

1527
01:06:03,109 --> 01:05:59,520
holds the lucky pony record for the best

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astrological chart since 1963. true

1529
01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:04,960
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1530
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:06,640
this is micah hanks of the ghrelian

1531
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:08,319
report and you're listening to jimmy

1532
01:06:14,210 --> 01:06:10,250
church on fade to black

1533
01:06:14,530 --> 01:06:14,220
[Music]

1534
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:14,540
[Applause]

1535
01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:30,400
[Music]

1536
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:32,000
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

1537
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:34,160
jimmy church tonight jazz shaw is with

1538
01:06:41,430 --> 01:06:38,950
completing

1539
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:41,440
our first time guest week here on fade

1540
01:06:48,870 --> 01:06:46,000
to black now uh let's get straight into

1541
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,880
get straight into things here jazz um i

1542
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:50,640
want to talk about

1543
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:52,640
uh

1544
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:54,240
chris mellon

1545
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:58,480
and uh we'll tie lou elizondo uh

1546
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:00,640
into this uh as well

1547
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:05,200
um their efforts um have allowed

1548
01:07:11,430 --> 01:07:08,079
journalists like yourself to suddenly

1549
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:11,440
have access and and and data

1550
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:12,240
uh

1551
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:15,440
at a somewhat official level to

1552
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:17,520
to use as facts in articles when you're

1553
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:19,280
writing and

1554
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:21,920
we can thank their efforts and you know

1555
01:07:26,470 --> 01:07:23,920
others to you know john greenwald

1556
01:07:28,950 --> 01:07:26,480
certainly with his foia work

1557
01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:28,960
uh getting stuff out of the pentagon

1558
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:31,920
um and it's been a pretty good run over

1559
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:33,599
the last uh

1560
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:36,640
uh four years because of this

1561
01:07:41,430 --> 01:07:39,280
information that has been flowing out of

1562
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:41,440
washington d.c

1563
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:47,510
are we are we looking for

1564
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:50,079
uh some type of censorship

1565
01:07:54,829 --> 01:07:52,559
uh to happen in the future and this flow

1566
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:54,839
of information may be

1567
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:56,640
classified

1568
01:08:02,789 --> 01:07:59,599
well absolutely i just published a piece

1569
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:02,799
not too long ago about that but uh

1570
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:03,920
yeah

1571
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:06,480
this is not an easy run it's not like

1572
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:08,400
the whole world changed and suddenly the

1573
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:10,880
government's like oh by the way

1574
01:08:14,309 --> 01:08:12,319
you know we didn't tell you about any of

1575
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:14,319
this you know and and now we're doing

1576
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:16,000
all this ufo stuff

1577
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:16,719
so

1578
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:19,440
yeah it's changed quite a bit

1579
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:20,400
um

1580
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:23,600
i i think that's been helpful

1581
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,640
but

1582
01:08:29,590 --> 01:08:26,640
there's a constant

1583
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:29,600
effort to block these things

1584
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:30,480
and

1585
01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:32,960
recently uh chris mullen

1586
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:35,199
published an article that you know i i

1587
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:36,880
did some commentary on

1588
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:38,400
you know that

1589
01:08:43,189 --> 01:08:41,279
it sounds like even though the new ufo

1590
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:43,199
office

1591
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:45,520
in congress has been established they've

1592
01:08:49,030 --> 01:08:47,679
turned around and said well everything's

1593
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:49,040
going to be classified even the stuff

1594
01:08:52,390 --> 01:08:50,960
that wasn't classified before

1595
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,400
is now going to be classified at least

1596
01:08:57,189 --> 01:08:54,400
secret so we're not going to talk about

1597
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:57,199
that you know except for the existence

1598
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:59,600
of the office everything else has to be

1599
01:09:02,149 --> 01:09:00,960
classified

1600
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:02,159
and

1601
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,799
that seems like a disastrous decision

1602
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:06,400
and chris mellon was

1603
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:07,759
very much opposed to it for obvious

1604
01:09:09,910 --> 01:09:09,040
reasons

1605
01:09:13,110 --> 01:09:09,920
so

1606
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:13,120
uh yeah i i don't think the fight's over

1607
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,880
in any way shape or form i think there

1608
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,719
are a lot of people

1609
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:18,480
anybody who has ever had to deal with

1610
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:21,120
susan goff and if you don't know who

1611
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:22,640
susan goff is you probably shouldn't be

1612
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:24,560
listening to jimmy church

1613
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:25,440
um

1614
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:27,600
i've been dealing with susan goff and

1615
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:29,600
corresponding with her for four years

1616
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:30,319
now

1617
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:34,400
they they don't want to talk about this

1618
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:37,199
they don't want any information going on

1619
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:39,199
about it and they claim national

1620
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:41,920
security is that a valid claim

1621
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:43,600
is there a danger

1622
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:45,279
or you know

1623
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:47,600
is there a national security threat

1624
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:49,600
to letting the public know about any of

1625
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:50,640
this

1626
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:51,759
and

1627
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:55,440
i i get a hopeful sense that

1628
01:09:59,750 --> 01:09:57,360
the classified briefings that people

1629
01:10:01,910 --> 01:09:59,760
like kristen gillibrand and marco rubio

1630
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:01,920
and others have received and then

1631
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:03,360
they've come out

1632
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,360
and said you know oh we need more

1633
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:07,199
information about this you know we need

1634
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:08,560
to be doing this

1635
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:10,480
they're getting a lot of pushback

1636
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:13,679
and there are people inside of

1637
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:15,760
i hesitate to use the word because it

1638
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:18,080
sounds so conspiratorial but

1639
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:20,560
the military-industrial complex in the

1640
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,480
government which is a very real thing

1641
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:26,560
they don't want to talk about it they

1642
01:10:30,870 --> 01:10:27,840
don't want

1643
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:30,880
anything disclassified and i realize

1644
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:32,800
it's kind of vague to say

1645
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:33,760
they

1646
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:36,000
but we all know who we're talking about

1647
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:38,000
but we do have people in congress now

1648
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:39,120
who are

1649
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:41,360
you know there's a push going on

1650
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,840
to get more information put out in

1651
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,679
classified settings

1652
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:47,120
to members of congress who have to

1653
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:49,040
perform their oversight

1654
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,280
and to the public really

1655
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:54,000
it's like well what's the reason that

1656
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:56,560
this is classified why couldn't we talk

1657
01:11:00,950 --> 01:10:59,040
about this and

1658
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:00,960
one of the latest things that marco

1659
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:02,800
rubio was talking about which i really

1660
01:11:05,430 --> 01:11:04,080
appreciated

1661
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:05,440
was

1662
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:08,080
it's become obvious through

1663
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:08,880
not

1664
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:10,719
total leaks because we don't get the

1665
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:13,280
whole deep set of details

1666
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:14,159
but

1667
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:15,920
they've been given briefings and they

1668
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:17,440
come away from those briefings and they

1669
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:18,560
have seen

1670
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:21,360
longer videos than the public has seen

1671
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:22,159
um

1672
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:26,960
of people you know and they come away

1673
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:28,480
and they're like whoa

1674
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:29,600
whoa

1675
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:32,320
we need to talk about this right

1676
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:33,360
and

1677
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:34,800
but still the

1678
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:36,640
the the insiders who have this

1679
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:38,560
information are like no we we have to

1680
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:41,040
classify this you can't talk about this

1681
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:43,120
and i really like some of the responses

1682
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:45,440
we're seeing recently which run along

1683
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:47,120
the lines to

1684
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:48,800
kind of paraphrase what some of the

1685
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:51,040
people like gillibrand have been saying

1686
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:53,440
you know it's like well

1687
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:55,280
what is it that you're afraid of the

1688
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:58,800
public knowing right that there

1689
01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:00,719
were

1690
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:02,239
videos

1691
01:12:08,310 --> 01:12:05,280
that were taken on a cell phone

1692
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,320
by a pilot during a routine training

1693
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,239
flight

1694
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:12,640
why would you not release that are we

1695
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:14,159
afraid the russians are going to

1696
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:16,080
discover that we have

1697
01:12:19,110 --> 01:12:17,760
gasp

1698
01:12:21,030 --> 01:12:19,120
cell phones

1699
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:21,040
oh my god the russians know we have cell

1700
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:23,520
phones you know that that doesn't really

1701
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:25,840
make any sense so i'm i'm kind of

1702
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:26,960
hopeful

1703
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:29,600
that that attitude will prevail and it's

1704
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:32,640
like yeah if if they've got

1705
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:35,520
data that would reveal any of our

1706
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:37,679
technical capabilities or

1707
01:12:40,870 --> 01:12:39,679
things we don't want our adversaries to

1708
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:40,880
know sure

1709
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,440
you want to keep that you know locked up

1710
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:44,960
i'm fine with that

1711
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:45,840
but

1712
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:48,400
if somebody saw something weird

1713
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:49,199
and

1714
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:51,360
filmed it from the cockpit of a fighter

1715
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:52,320
jet

1716
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:54,239
with their cell phone

1717
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:56,000
and was like what's this

1718
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:58,640
and everybody's looked at it and they've

1719
01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:00,640
been like no it's not ours

1720
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:03,600
we're very sure it's not theirs

1721
01:13:07,910 --> 01:13:05,679
what's the point of making that secret

1722
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:07,920
what's the reason for it and

1723
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:09,120
isn't

1724
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:12,159
you can correct me right now jazz if i

1725
01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:13,679
am wrong

1726
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:15,360
in this statement

1727
01:13:18,870 --> 01:13:16,239
but

1728
01:13:21,910 --> 01:13:18,880
isn't it the job

1729
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:21,920
of journalists

1730
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:25,199
with the very foundation of this country

1731
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:27,679
and the freedom of the press

1732
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:31,280
to keep a check on our government to

1733
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:32,719
make sure

1734
01:13:39,590 --> 01:13:36,320
there isn't secret stuff going on

1735
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:39,600
that the public is unaware of that's the

1736
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:41,679
job of the press

1737
01:13:47,669 --> 01:13:44,480
and that is why the freedom of the press

1738
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,679
is instituted in our constitution

1739
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:49,679
right it's our job to pull this

1740
01:13:55,270 --> 01:13:52,320
information out the best that we can

1741
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:55,280
right that is that is isn't it as

1742
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,679
fundamental as it gets

1743
01:14:02,470 --> 01:13:59,520
yeah and and there's

1744
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:02,480
there's a very vague line

1745
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:04,880
between the two halves of those types of

1746
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:07,600
information avril haynes the dnr

1747
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:08,560
um

1748
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:11,040
has come out and very recently

1749
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:13,199
made statements saying we have a massive

1750
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:15,199
over classification problem the

1751
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:18,400
government classifies everything

1752
01:14:22,229 --> 01:14:21,199
by you know it's reflexive

1753
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:22,239
stuff that

1754
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:24,320
really should be in the public domain

1755
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:26,000
but if even

1756
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,560
marginally controversial they

1757
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:30,719
they classify everything

1758
01:14:35,750 --> 01:14:32,880
and avril haynes has come out and said

1759
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:35,760
yeah this is a problem we we need to be

1760
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:37,440
declassifying things

1761
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:39,840
getting scientists involved getting the

1762
01:14:45,030 --> 01:14:42,640
public involved doing things like that

1763
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:45,040
and wow there is

1764
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,560
there is clearly

1765
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:48,719
a large remnant

1766
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:50,400
of the old guard

1767
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:53,040
inside the military and intelligence

1768
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:55,360
communities that are like no everything

1769
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:56,719
needs to be classified you don't need to

1770
01:15:01,590 --> 01:14:58,560
know anything we don't want to tell you

1771
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:01,600
anything you know and i i hope that's

1772
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:04,320
changing it it sounds like it's starting

1773
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:06,320
to change once again i'll go back to

1774
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:07,840
kirsten gillibrand

1775
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:10,000
she's like you know we'll show us why

1776
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:12,400
show us why this needs to be classified

1777
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:14,000
you know and

1778
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:15,600
i i don't think they have a good answer

1779
01:15:19,270 --> 01:15:16,640
for that

1780
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:19,280
but it dates back to roswell and before

1781
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,640
it sure does you know

1782
01:15:24,790 --> 01:15:22,640
you you don't

1783
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,800
they don't want to talk about things

1784
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:27,120
and let's be honest jimmy

1785
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:29,280
our government and

1786
01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:30,880
i'm a patriot

1787
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:32,880
trust me i love america

1788
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:34,880
our government's done some really dodgy

1789
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:37,120
stuff in the past and they've kept it

1790
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:40,320
secret you know look no further than

1791
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:41,600
the uh

1792
01:15:47,669 --> 01:15:45,360
tuskegee syphilis experiments uh

1793
01:15:50,070 --> 01:15:47,679
doing drug testing experiments on our

1794
01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:50,080
troops without telling them that's all

1795
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:52,159
happened those are real things they've

1796
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:54,000
done some bad stuff

1797
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:56,560
you know they do a lot of good stuff

1798
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:58,960
absolutely keep us safe you know all

1799
01:16:02,390 --> 01:16:00,080
that

1800
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:02,400
but there does seem to be a reflexive

1801
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:03,600
instinct

1802
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:05,760
to like well anything that's not as

1803
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:08,159
basic as how much money we're spending

1804
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:10,480
on coffee filters this year it's like oh

1805
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:12,400
that's probably secret

1806
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:13,520
and

1807
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:15,440
i don't know are are we approaching do

1808
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:16,480
you think

1809
01:16:20,070 --> 01:16:18,080
a point where

1810
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:20,080
that's changing and people have the

1811
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:21,440
right to

1812
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:24,560
use the power of congress to go forward

1813
01:16:27,870 --> 01:16:25,679
and say

1814
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,880
no we we have a massive

1815
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:29,520
overclassification problem and we need

1816
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:31,440
to talk about that and all this stuff

1817
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:33,120
about uap

1818
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:34,800
that probably falls into that bucket if

1819
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:36,320
it's not the russians if it's not the

1820
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:38,800
chinese if it's not us

1821
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:40,880
what's the justification to say

1822
01:16:44,709 --> 01:16:42,400
well we shouldn't tell the public about

1823
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:44,719
this because i don't see it i really

1824
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:49,280
don't you know it's it's kind of like um

1825
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:50,400
if

1826
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:55,679
looking back at earth

1827
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:57,840
and you found out

1828
01:17:05,110 --> 01:17:01,600
that the governments of earth

1829
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:05,120
wanted to keep them as secret right that

1830
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:06,960
wouldn't make any sense

1831
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:10,000
it it it's like uh

1832
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:13,280
you have some indigenous culture on an

1833
01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:15,440
island and the leader

1834
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:17,679
meets somebody that pulls up on a yacht

1835
01:17:21,510 --> 01:17:20,080
you know some fisherman right or

1836
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:21,520
whatever

1837
01:17:26,070 --> 01:17:23,920
are you going to keep that a secret from

1838
01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:26,080
the people of the island and just have

1839
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:28,239
them think that they are all that there

1840
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,199
is on planet earth right it's the same

1841
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:33,360
situation why

1842
01:17:39,669 --> 01:17:36,800
what's what's the point of keeping that

1843
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:39,679
a secret the one question that we've had

1844
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:41,760
since the dawn of man are we alone in

1845
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:42,960
the universe

1846
01:17:47,590 --> 01:17:45,040
right what's the what's what's the

1847
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:47,600
reason for keeping that classified now

1848
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:49,920
there are i'm talking about discoveries

1849
01:17:54,310 --> 01:17:50,960
of today

1850
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:54,320
there are reasons in the past uh that

1851
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:56,159
would prevent them

1852
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:57,280
for

1853
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:00,159
uh from revealing in my estimation that

1854
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:02,960
they've known about this for a long time

1855
01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:04,320
and that they've been sitting on

1856
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:06,239
technology that hasn't been shared with

1857
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:07,840
the world is that a reason to keep it

1858
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:09,440
classified because they don't want to

1859
01:18:14,470 --> 01:18:11,520
air the dirty laundry

1860
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:14,480
well that's a possibility but if avi

1861
01:18:19,110 --> 01:18:16,800
loeb makes a discovery

1862
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:19,120
does that stay classified

1863
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:21,600
right is is you know i i don't know what

1864
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:22,400
the

1865
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:25,600
how we're going to move forward

1866
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:27,920
there there's two different aspects to

1867
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:29,520
that question that you're asking that

1868
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:32,400
i've been wrestling with for a long time

1869
01:18:38,070 --> 01:18:34,960
part of it is

1870
01:18:40,149 --> 01:18:38,080
if we look at the totally terrestrial

1871
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:40,159
aspect it's like well have they been

1872
01:18:44,870 --> 01:18:42,719
hiding stuff that

1873
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:44,880
really shouldn't have been hidden and

1874
01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:46,880
maybe it might have really benefited

1875
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,159
mankind

1876
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:50,640
and you sat on it for reasons we don't

1877
01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:51,679
know

1878
01:18:56,709 --> 01:18:54,480
then you've done something bad has money

1879
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:56,719
been spent that was not

1880
01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:58,480
subject to oversight

1881
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:00,719
the people could be in a lot of trouble

1882
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:02,640
that's one question

1883
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:04,960
the other question i think jimmy is a

1884
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:07,360
little bit more complex

1885
01:19:10,709 --> 01:19:09,520
it's like why

1886
01:19:12,950 --> 01:19:10,719
would

1887
01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:12,960
a hypothetical

1888
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:15,600
in my opinion very probable

1889
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:17,760
other intelligence that's not

1890
01:19:21,910 --> 01:19:19,840
terrestrial

1891
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:21,920
well why wouldn't they just come and you

1892
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:25,360
know make this information known

1893
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:26,400
i

1894
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:34,239
we tend to

1895
01:19:40,870 --> 01:19:37,199
put our own motivations and our own

1896
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:40,880
reasoning onto anything we encounter

1897
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:43,120
if we're if we are dealing with an

1898
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:45,679
intelligence that originated somewhere

1899
01:19:49,350 --> 01:19:47,040
else entirely

1900
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:49,360
maybe in entirely different conditions

1901
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:52,400
evolved in a very different way

1902
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:54,000
might not even be

1903
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:56,640
biological some people say might just be

1904
01:20:02,470 --> 01:19:59,360
like some super intelligent ai that

1905
01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:02,480
somebody created somewhere else

1906
01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:05,280
do they have the same motivations we do

1907
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:07,360
do they care

1908
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:09,040
if we know about them

1909
01:20:13,910 --> 01:20:10,880
are they here to

1910
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:13,920
reveal themselves to us

1911
01:20:17,669 --> 01:20:16,080
maybe we're just like ants in an angel

1912
01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:17,679
and they're like oh know i really care

1913
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:20,320
what the ants think you know that i

1914
01:20:24,870 --> 01:20:22,000
always come back to that

1915
01:20:26,310 --> 01:20:24,880
it's it's a question to me that

1916
01:20:28,870 --> 01:20:26,320
you know

1917
01:20:30,830 --> 01:20:28,880
we're dealing with it in a way of what

1918
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:30,840
we want to know what we think we should

1919
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:34,880
know what we're able to find out

1920
01:20:38,229 --> 01:20:36,800
if they're the

1921
01:20:39,669 --> 01:20:38,239
people that are coming and stomping on

1922
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:39,679
the anthill

1923
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:41,440
they might not really give a crap one

1924
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:43,120
way or the other whether or not we know

1925
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:45,600
about it or what we think about it or

1926
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:47,280
you know what what we think about their

1927
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:50,080
motives and they may not have motives we

1928
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:51,600
can even understand

1929
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:53,520
and and of course again this is just

1930
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:55,520
opinion we're just batting it around

1931
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:56,480
here

1932
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:57,280
but

1933
01:21:05,350 --> 01:20:58,000
i

1934
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:05,360
that's

1935
01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:07,120
i don't even want to use the the phrase

1936
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:09,440
engaging with us that's here

1937
01:21:14,629 --> 01:21:12,560
and interacting and doing things

1938
01:21:16,629 --> 01:21:14,639
do they really care what we think

1939
01:21:18,629 --> 01:21:16,639
i mean i i don't know the answer to that

1940
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:18,639
question jeremy i mean they may just be

1941
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:19,920
like

1942
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:21,679
who cares they're they're not watching

1943
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:24,080
fox news you know they're you know they

1944
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:25,760
might just be like we're here collecting

1945
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:27,440
our data and whatever you're doing and

1946
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:30,000
that's up to you dude you know

1947
01:21:33,350 --> 01:21:32,000
do we know for sure that

1948
01:21:36,149 --> 01:21:33,360
they really

1949
01:21:37,910 --> 01:21:36,159
care about what we're doing

1950
01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:37,920
well every time

1951
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:39,360
uh

1952
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:41,440
you go outside and turn on your bug

1953
01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:43,360
zapper so you can have your cook out in

1954
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:45,920
the back patio with your guest over

1955
01:21:52,629 --> 01:21:49,760
are you really considering

1956
01:21:54,310 --> 01:21:52,639
what you're doing to

1957
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:54,320
those pests

1958
01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:56,480
right right that

1959
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:57,520
right

1960
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:58,880
no you're not

1961
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:01,199
when you're walking around on a sidewalk

1962
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:02,880
are you concerned that you're stepping

1963
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:04,719
on bugs and

1964
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:06,960
some baby bugs not gonna have their mom

1965
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:08,880
come home that night because you just

1966
01:22:13,910 --> 01:22:11,199
stepped on one on the sidewalk

1967
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:13,920
right no we don't consider those things

1968
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:16,080
it's it's a very simple way to look at

1969
01:22:20,229 --> 01:22:17,679
it i totally agree

1970
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:20,239
and then if we flip it over though

1971
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:21,280
where

1972
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:23,600
uh the question of and you go back to

1973
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:26,880
like the fermi paradox which is okay so

1974
01:22:31,189 --> 01:22:27,600
the

1975
01:22:32,550 --> 01:22:31,199
teeming with life well where is

1976
01:22:34,629 --> 01:22:32,560
everybody

1977
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:34,639
and we look at what we're doing now with

1978
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:36,159
like perseverance and we're sending

1979
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:39,360
probes to jupiter and mars and and and

1980
01:22:44,629 --> 01:22:42,080
venus and and what have you the moon

1981
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:44,639
and uh that's what we're doing

1982
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:47,040
and if we look at like the va newman

1983
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:50,320
probe you know some self-replicating

1984
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:54,960
way to uh go out and and and map

1985
01:23:00,629 --> 01:22:57,600
right the galaxy and and look at other

1986
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:00,639
worlds isn't that the possible thing

1987
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:03,440
that we're having right now with

1988
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:05,600
multiple tic tac sightings all the time

1989
01:23:09,189 --> 01:23:07,600
and the answer would be

1990
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:09,199
well i think that

1991
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:12,239
they are here and they're here a lot you

1992
01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:14,480
may not have a little green man inside

1993
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:15,520
of it

1994
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:18,080
but that stuff isn't necessarily coming

1995
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:19,440
from earth

1996
01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:22,480
and that would be evidence of uh an

1997
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:24,880
extraterrestrial civilization

1998
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:27,920
checking us out right isn't that the

1999
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:29,920
proof that we we've been asking for all

2000
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:31,679
along

2001
01:23:35,350 --> 01:23:33,679
that's absolutely what we want to find

2002
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:35,360
out but again

2003
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:37,600
we want that information

2004
01:23:42,709 --> 01:23:40,719
the big missing picture in my

2005
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:42,719
portion of the question i should say

2006
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,120
in my opinion is

2007
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:47,040
what's the motivation

2008
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:49,280
of the other

2009
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:52,000
if there is an other and it looks to me

2010
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:53,760
like there's another

2011
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,639
but

2012
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:56,639
i are they here because they want to

2013
01:24:01,750 --> 01:23:59,440
help us are they the space brothers are

2014
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:01,760
they trying to save humanity and

2015
01:24:07,189 --> 01:24:03,920
eliminate our nuclear weapons because

2016
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:07,199
they don't want us to ruin the planet

2017
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:08,800
or are they

2018
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:11,120
scientists that are like

2019
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:13,199
well look at what these clever monkeys

2020
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:15,520
are doing that's kind of interesting

2021
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:17,280
let's go take some data

2022
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:19,120
but do you care if the monkeys kill each

2023
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:20,239
other off

2024
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:21,199
you know

2025
01:24:24,709 --> 01:24:22,080
i mean

2026
01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:24,719
right i i think it's it it probably

2027
01:24:30,149 --> 01:24:27,440
feels and i apologize it probably feels

2028
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:30,159
a little insulting to some people to say

2029
01:24:35,030 --> 01:24:32,960
oh well we might just be clever monkeys

2030
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:35,040
but if they're that far in advance we

2031
01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:36,880
can't travel to other stars yet we're

2032
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:39,199
working on it we're trying to get there

2033
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:41,440
but if they're already there if they can

2034
01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:43,199
travel between the stars even

2035
01:24:47,510 --> 01:24:45,199
potentially between the galaxies

2036
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:47,520
and they arrive on a planet like ours

2037
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:48,880
it's like oh

2038
01:24:54,149 --> 01:24:51,600
cool green blue world

2039
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,159
life forms interesting let's go look at

2040
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:58,629
how concerned are they about that well

2041
01:25:02,149 --> 01:24:59,360
yeah

2042
01:25:04,470 --> 01:25:02,159
you want me to tell you why you're right

2043
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:04,480
because chances are right you had

2044
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:06,159
chances

2045
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:07,280
jazz

2046
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:09,360
chances are

2047
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:12,080
if they got it's a numbers game but if

2048
01:25:17,830 --> 01:25:14,880
they got here from another star system

2049
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:17,840
an interstellar situation

2050
01:25:21,510 --> 01:25:19,600
then chances are

2051
01:25:23,830 --> 01:25:21,520
they have seen

2052
01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:23,840
billions of earths

2053
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:24,840
sure

2054
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:27,920
billions billions we're just another

2055
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:31,120
number in a catalog

2056
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:34,239
if if life is that prevalent jimmy and

2057
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:37,520
i'm i've no proof obviously nobody knows

2058
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:39,440
i i tend to think life is like

2059
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:41,440
ubiquitous life is

2060
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:44,239
is just like a virus

2061
01:25:48,149 --> 01:25:45,520
in the universe

2062
01:25:49,510 --> 01:25:48,159
why would there only be life here right

2063
01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:49,520
and

2064
01:25:54,870 --> 01:25:52,080
we're a relatively young

2065
01:25:57,430 --> 01:25:54,880
planetary system compared to some other

2066
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:57,440
ones that have been around a lot longer

2067
01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:59,440
look how far we've come

2068
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:01,520
just look back to

2069
01:26:07,590 --> 01:26:04,000
what when was the first powered flight

2070
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:07,600
1903 1903

2071
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:09,520
up until then

2072
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:11,679
and i still remember

2073
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:13,199
having to cover this

2074
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:14,480
when the wright brothers made their

2075
01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:15,520
flight

2076
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:17,920
in the next week there were editorials

2077
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:20,080
that were put out in the new york times

2078
01:26:23,669 --> 01:26:22,320
out in san francisco saying that it was

2079
01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:23,679
a hoax

2080
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:26,719
they said it was not possible it powered

2081
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,600
flight

2082
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:29,760
was at least a century away

2083
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:34,560
it wasn't possible this was a joke right

2084
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:36,480
50 some years later somebody walked on

2085
01:26:38,629 --> 01:26:37,679
the moon

2086
01:26:40,950 --> 01:26:38,639
you know

2087
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:40,960
we made it that far in that short amount

2088
01:26:44,629 --> 01:26:42,080
of time

2089
01:26:47,590 --> 01:26:44,639
imagine a civilization

2090
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:47,600
somewhere else that got a

2091
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:49,280
thousand year

2092
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:51,040
10 000 year

2093
01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:53,520
million year head start on us

2094
01:26:57,990 --> 01:26:56,320
we made that jump in 60 years

2095
01:26:59,110 --> 01:26:58,000
what have they done

2096
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,120
you know

2097
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:01,280
so yeah we might and i know it's

2098
01:27:05,189 --> 01:27:03,840
insulting i'm not making a racial thing

2099
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:05,199
or anything

2100
01:27:08,709 --> 01:27:06,560
but

2101
01:27:10,390 --> 01:27:08,719
could an advanced intelligence really be

2102
01:27:12,149 --> 01:27:10,400
looking at us as like

2103
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:12,159
just clever monkeys

2104
01:27:16,229 --> 01:27:13,600
it's like oh here's an interesting

2105
01:27:18,149 --> 01:27:16,239
planet look at the monkeys oh they got a

2106
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:18,159
rocket and they went to their the the

2107
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:20,159
closest thing orbiting them

2108
01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:24,080
wasn't that nice you know and

2109
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:26,239
i i think we should eliminate our hubris

2110
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:27,120
a bit

2111
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:28,000
and

2112
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:29,520
pull the lens back

2113
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,120
and say you know

2114
01:27:35,669 --> 01:27:33,520
if we are being visited and personally

2115
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:35,679
it's only my opinion i think we are

2116
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:37,120
um

2117
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:39,280
they might not have the same perspective

2118
01:27:43,270 --> 01:27:40,560
that we have

2119
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:43,280
they might not be looking at us as being

2120
01:27:47,750 --> 01:27:45,600
as important as we think we are

2121
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:47,760
we might be the ants

2122
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:49,920
yeah and that's there isn't another way

2123
01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:52,320
to look at it than that but but i'll

2124
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:54,560
suggest this

2125
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:56,239
if uh

2126
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:58,239
if they got here

2127
01:28:01,350 --> 01:27:59,120
right

2128
01:28:03,270 --> 01:28:01,360
however more advanced that makes them

2129
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:03,280
they got here they're more advanced than

2130
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:04,000
us

2131
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:06,000
so therefore

2132
01:28:10,310 --> 01:28:08,400
they would have a situation with

2133
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:10,320
artificial intelligence

2134
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,320
to be able to plug in

2135
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:14,400
certain data points about us and this

2136
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:15,360
planet

2137
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:19,360
1903 to you know first powered flight to

2138
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:21,360
jimi hendrix right

2139
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:24,560
it's a pretty big leap in 16 years

2140
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:26,639
um that means

2141
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,040
uh if from 2022 in another 50 years they

2142
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:33,360
will be interstellar

2143
01:28:39,590 --> 01:28:36,960
now they are going to be out visiting us

2144
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:39,600
and now we need to

2145
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:41,440
start to pay attention to this planet

2146
01:28:45,990 --> 01:28:43,280
because they are not

2147
01:28:48,470 --> 01:28:46,000
dealing with candle power anymore in gas

2148
01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:48,480
lights like they were in 1900

2149
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:49,840
today

2150
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:50,639
they're

2151
01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:56,800
very soon they are going to be

2152
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:58,800
interstellar and coming in in our

2153
01:29:02,470 --> 01:29:00,719
direction so i would think that they

2154
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:02,480
would at some point

2155
01:29:07,270 --> 01:29:04,800
have to raise an eyebrow and maybe that

2156
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:07,280
time is now

2157
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:10,480
if they found us yeah i mean it's a

2158
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:13,120
gigantic universe it's a huge galaxy you

2159
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,840
know

2160
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:15,440
you got to go investigate every one of

2161
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:17,679
the stars right so i don't think it's a

2162
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:18,719
given

2163
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:20,560
but if there are

2164
01:29:24,149 --> 01:29:23,040
races out there that

2165
01:29:25,590 --> 01:29:24,159
you know what are you going to do you're

2166
01:29:26,709 --> 01:29:25,600
going to go check out the other stars

2167
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:26,719
are going to look at the other planets

2168
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:27,600
look at

2169
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:30,080
things that are similar to you um

2170
01:29:33,510 --> 01:29:31,199
there's a

2171
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:33,520
a whole separate track

2172
01:29:36,629 --> 01:29:34,880
that

2173
01:29:39,189 --> 01:29:36,639
a few people i've interviewed have

2174
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:39,199
talked about where it's like we're

2175
01:29:42,550 --> 01:29:41,040
really limiting

2176
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:42,560
our search

2177
01:29:45,990 --> 01:29:43,840
into

2178
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:46,000
intelligent species that

2179
01:29:49,990 --> 01:29:47,360
would be interested

2180
01:29:51,189 --> 01:29:50,000
because this is where life can be on our

2181
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:51,199
planet

2182
01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:53,280
for all we know

2183
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:55,920
life lives everywhere you know go look

2184
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:57,920
at the stuff that lives on the black

2185
01:30:02,070 --> 01:29:59,760
smokers in the bottom of the ocean you

2186
01:30:04,229 --> 01:30:02,080
know pluto could have a whole bunch of

2187
01:30:07,030 --> 01:30:04,239
life on it it just wouldn't be life that

2188
01:30:07,990 --> 01:30:07,040
looks like what we recognize right

2189
01:30:09,430 --> 01:30:08,000
so

2190
01:30:10,790 --> 01:30:09,440
i i think the possibilities are

2191
01:30:11,910 --> 01:30:10,800
limitless

2192
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:11,920
and

2193
01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:14,239
i i think we could be way ahead of a lot

2194
01:30:19,030 --> 01:30:16,560
of other life forms like

2195
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:19,040
the next crab you find on the beach

2196
01:30:24,149 --> 01:30:21,840
but there's also the possibility that

2197
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:24,159
there's things out there that have a

2198
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:26,080
huge jump start on us

2199
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:27,520
and

2200
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:29,920
you know i

2201
01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:31,600
i hate to use the word we need to be a

2202
01:30:35,990 --> 01:30:33,600
little more humble

2203
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:36,000
you know i i i don't think we're the

2204
01:30:39,830 --> 01:30:37,920
dominant life form in the universe i

2205
01:30:41,430 --> 01:30:39,840
think the odds of that being true are

2206
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:41,440
virtually nil

2207
01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:44,080
if there is life beyond this planet

2208
01:30:47,910 --> 01:30:46,000
there's going to be life that's behind

2209
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:47,920
us but there's going to be life that's

2210
01:30:51,430 --> 01:30:49,360
ahead of us

2211
01:30:54,229 --> 01:30:51,440
and that we should take that into our

2212
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:54,239
calculations yeah to the infinite i

2213
01:30:58,470 --> 01:30:55,920
think is the best way to put it too i

2214
01:30:59,830 --> 01:30:58,480
think that life is to the infinite let's

2215
01:31:01,430 --> 01:30:59,840
take our break right here our guest

2216
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:01,440
tonight jazz shaw

2217
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:03,199
i am your host jimmy church and the nx

2218
01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:05,520
and game changer networks

2219
01:31:13,110 --> 01:31:07,360
this is fade to black more jazz after

2220
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:19,190
[Music]

2221
01:31:35,170 --> 01:31:33,030
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2222
01:31:37,830 --> 01:31:35,180
you're listening to fade to black

2223
01:31:39,990 --> 01:31:37,840
[Applause]

2224
01:31:41,510 --> 01:31:40,000
you're listening to jimmy church and

2225
01:31:46,540 --> 01:31:41,520
fade to black

2226
01:31:46,550 --> 01:31:52,310
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2227
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:58,390
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2228
01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:00,870
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2229
01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:02,960
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2230
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2231
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2232
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2233
01:32:14,790 --> 01:32:12,239
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2234
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2235
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2236
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2237
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2238
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they usually occur with little warning

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[Music]

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you are listening to fate to black with

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01:34:59,669 --> 01:34:56,709
hi i'm lisa vance you're listening to

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01:35:02,470 --> 01:34:59,679
jimmy church this is revolution the

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revolution is on radio

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[Music]

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01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:50,070
welcome back feed to black i'm your host

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01:35:53,669 --> 01:35:52,239
jimmy church tonight jazz shaw is with

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us

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01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:55,040
and uh

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01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:57,040
i'm about to take a little bit of a left

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01:36:01,430 --> 01:36:00,239
turn here uh with jazz

2302
01:36:03,350 --> 01:36:01,440
yeah

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01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:03,360
because i can it's my show this is faded

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01:36:06,709 --> 01:36:05,840
black i'm yours jimmy church now jazz

2305
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:06,719
um

2306
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:09,280
the other day uh we were talking on the

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phone

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01:36:14,390 --> 01:36:12,480
and uh

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01:36:16,229 --> 01:36:14,400
we were talking about different ufo

2310
01:36:18,070 --> 01:36:16,239
cases and one we're going to discuss

2311
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:18,080
here in just a second and then we

2312
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:20,239
started to talk about chris mellon and

2313
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:22,480
lou elizondo and the article and the

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01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:24,960
cover-up and things and at that moment i

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01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:26,320
thought it was pretty strange lou

2316
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:28,960
elizondo called right

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01:36:33,030 --> 01:36:31,040
and yeah yeah

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01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:33,040
and i said hey uh chaz you want to say

2319
01:36:37,189 --> 01:36:35,760
hi to lou it was it was weird

2320
01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:37,199
and uh

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01:36:45,109 --> 01:36:42,159
conversation for a few seconds and he

2322
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:45,119
got to uh to have a quick chat but but

2323
01:36:50,790 --> 01:36:47,840
that that to me is a sign

2324
01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:50,800
of the universe being connected because

2325
01:36:56,550 --> 01:36:53,679
we were just talking about him and melon

2326
01:36:58,070 --> 01:36:56,560
and that was that was just bizarre i i

2327
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:58,080
don't know what inspired him to pick up

2328
01:37:01,830 --> 01:36:59,360
the phone but

2329
01:37:04,830 --> 01:37:01,840
but i i thought it was pretty strange it

2330
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:04,840
was it was fun but it was

2331
01:37:11,350 --> 01:37:07,920
strange yeah well that was weird i'd

2332
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:11,360
only ever spoken briefly on a panel to

2333
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:14,480
to lou once and when he called in i mean

2334
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:19,040
is is that serendipity you know it

2335
01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:20,960
was it something like that

2336
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:22,880
or is it just that

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01:37:26,709 --> 01:37:25,840
everybody calls jimmy church

2338
01:37:30,070 --> 01:37:26,719
okay

2339
01:37:32,070 --> 01:37:30,080
but uh there was one thing uh i'm gonna

2340
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:32,080
throw uh both of you under the bus a

2341
01:37:36,310 --> 01:37:33,360
little bit

2342
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:36,320
sure lou took the opportunity

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01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:37,119
to

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for all of your hard work

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01:37:46,470 --> 01:37:42,560
and

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feel pretty good

2347
01:37:53,189 --> 01:37:49,280
that that well actually it was kind of

2348
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:53,199
embarrassing i mean lou has done so much

2349
01:37:57,830 --> 01:37:55,360
for this entire discussion

2350
01:38:01,910 --> 01:38:00,070
i'm not you know i'm just some guy

2351
01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:01,920
that's been following it and trying to

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01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:04,960
report on it and that that ties into

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01:38:08,709 --> 01:38:06,480
like

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01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:08,719
people ask me sometimes about my

2355
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:10,960
position in the

2356
01:38:15,830 --> 01:38:13,440
quote unquote ufology community it's

2357
01:38:17,350 --> 01:38:15,840
like i'm not a researcher i'm not

2358
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:17,360
somebody that's out there

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01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:18,960
you know uh

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01:38:23,830 --> 01:38:20,880
interviewing people and

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01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:23,840
finding stories that are hidden

2362
01:38:28,830 --> 01:38:26,719
i i work in an outlet

2363
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:28,840
that deals with people that normally

2364
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:31,679
don't hear about this

2365
01:38:35,430 --> 01:38:32,639
that

2366
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:35,440
may or may not care about it

2367
01:38:39,189 --> 01:38:38,320
you know and i see myself as somebody

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01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:39,199
that

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01:38:44,629 --> 01:38:43,520
very real stories right

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01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:44,639
and

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bring them to

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an audience

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01:38:50,950 --> 01:38:48,639
that

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01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:50,960
might have still been living in a world

2375
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:53,360
where it's like oh well that's just some

2376
01:38:59,669 --> 01:38:56,159
crazy stuff that's like x-file stuff or

2377
01:39:01,990 --> 01:38:59,679
whatever you know and

2378
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:02,000
in the last four years i i feel like

2379
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i've had a

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significant

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01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:07,280
degree of success

2382
01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:09,280
and bringing a lot more people into the

2383
01:39:14,310 --> 01:39:12,880
conversation that weren't in it before

2384
01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:14,320
lou is somebody

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01:39:16,709 --> 01:39:15,440
who

2386
01:39:22,870 --> 01:39:16,719
was out there

2387
01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:22,880
you know like

2388
01:39:28,229 --> 01:39:25,840
knocking down the doors and going oh hey

2389
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:28,239
we have to talk about this this is real

2390
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:30,560
this isn't garbage you know

2391
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:33,440
so i i really appreciated that about lou

2392
01:39:36,950 --> 01:39:35,520
but you know no that's not my place in

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01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:36,960
the community i'm not

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01:39:42,550 --> 01:39:39,600
i i've never broken

2395
01:39:44,149 --> 01:39:42,560
a huge story i mean i i do some research

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01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:44,159
on research on

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01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:45,119
old

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01:39:49,830 --> 01:39:47,840
cases and bring that forward but

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01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:49,840
i'm not somebody that's out there like

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01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:51,280
doing the stuff that chris mellon is

2401
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:53,760
doing going like hey here's what's going

2402
01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:55,679
on with the gilbert amendment you know

2403
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:57,679
it's i find out about that after the

2404
01:40:02,550 --> 01:40:00,159
fact so i really appreciate what lou

2405
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:02,560
said but you know

2406
01:40:05,910 --> 01:40:05,040
my place in the community is really to

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01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:05,920
just

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01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:08,000
try to take these things that everybody

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01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:11,280
in ufology people that listen to jimmy

2410
01:40:15,990 --> 01:40:13,280
church people that

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01:40:18,149 --> 01:40:16,000
are always in tune

2412
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:18,159
i try to take those stories and bring

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01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:20,880
them to people who normally care about

2414
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:22,880
oh i want the news about you know what's

2415
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:25,679
the uh the inflation index this week you

2416
01:40:30,149 --> 01:40:28,400
know things like that and go hey here's

2417
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:30,159
this other story

2418
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:32,400
and that could be really important to

2419
01:40:36,390 --> 01:40:34,320
humanity and

2420
01:40:38,790 --> 01:40:36,400
man i i can't tell you over the last

2421
01:40:39,910 --> 01:40:38,800
four years the number of people

2422
01:40:41,830 --> 01:40:39,920
that

2423
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:41,840
we've gotten feedback from

2424
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:43,600
and have really driven

2425
01:40:46,709 --> 01:40:45,840
you know traffic and interest for us

2426
01:40:49,270 --> 01:40:46,719
it's like

2427
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:49,280
oh wait a minute that's not just x-files

2428
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:51,600
this this is a real thing

2429
01:40:55,830 --> 01:40:53,360
that's happening and the government's

2430
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:55,840
interested in it you know and

2431
01:40:59,430 --> 01:40:57,600
i i think lou has been one of the great

2432
01:41:01,830 --> 01:40:59,440
leaders in that and

2433
01:41:04,149 --> 01:41:01,840
i appreciate what lou said but

2434
01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:04,159
i i think i'm i'm a bit player in all

2435
01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:05,920
this and lou has been one of the great

2436
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:06,960
drivers

2437
01:41:11,669 --> 01:41:09,280
so well and and at some point you got to

2438
01:41:12,470 --> 01:41:11,679
just throw caution to the wind you know

2439
01:41:17,189 --> 01:41:12,480
and

2440
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:17,199
is my life's choice you know i'm i'm

2441
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:19,440
going to do this and he has certainly

2442
01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:21,840
uh chosen to do that now

2443
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:23,920
um going back to what you just said

2444
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:24,880
though

2445
01:41:29,590 --> 01:41:27,920
um that you don't necessarily

2446
01:41:31,109 --> 01:41:29,600
you don't look at yourself as breaking

2447
01:41:34,310 --> 01:41:31,119
the story

2448
01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:34,320
you and i um in our conversation we were

2449
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:37,119
talking about uh you told me about this

2450
01:41:41,830 --> 01:41:38,639
this case

2451
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:41,840
uh this incident that happened uh many

2452
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:44,159
years ago and we got into it you started

2453
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:47,280
to lay out how you put the pieces that

2454
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:50,239
is great journalism how you were able to

2455
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:51,920
just take a take a look at this there

2456
01:41:56,229 --> 01:41:54,239
was other things that led you you know

2457
01:41:58,470 --> 01:41:56,239
the bread crumbs and the next thing you

2458
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:58,480
know you've got yourself a pretty

2459
01:42:01,830 --> 01:42:00,480
interesting situation here that you're

2460
01:42:04,709 --> 01:42:01,840
writing about

2461
01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:04,719
the story itself uh was published

2462
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:07,199
yesterday over at the debrief now

2463
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:09,440
i have put it up in social media if you

2464
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:11,760
go over to uh my twitter page at

2465
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:14,239
jchurchradio or go to the sandbox

2466
01:42:18,870 --> 01:42:16,000
hashtag f2b

2467
01:42:20,790 --> 01:42:18,880
you will see it right there now what is

2468
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:20,800
interesting about this case

2469
01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:23,440
uh just the headline itself right was

2470
01:42:28,870 --> 01:42:24,400
this

2471
01:42:30,709 --> 01:42:28,880
unreported fireplane uh which is um

2472
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:30,719
a p-51 mustang

2473
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:33,440
uh crash was this fighter plane crash

2474
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:35,679
ufo related

2475
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:38,320
okay so that's the headline now let's

2476
01:42:44,470 --> 01:42:41,280
back up how did you stumble upon this

2477
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:44,480
what what triggered first

2478
01:42:47,669 --> 01:42:45,360
well

2479
01:42:49,510 --> 01:42:47,679
we were doing research at the debrief

2480
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:49,520
about uh

2481
01:42:53,350 --> 01:42:52,320
the 1948 thomas mantel

2482
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:53,360
crash

2483
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:56,320
and that was undisputedly you know it's

2484
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:58,159
very well documented

2485
01:43:01,270 --> 01:43:00,400
a uh fighter pilot

2486
01:43:05,030 --> 01:43:01,280
in

2487
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:05,040
charge of a group of planes

2488
01:43:07,270 --> 01:43:06,000
was

2489
01:43:08,709 --> 01:43:07,280
diverted

2490
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:08,719
in kentucky

2491
01:43:11,430 --> 01:43:09,760
because

2492
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:11,440
a whole bunch of people had reported

2493
01:43:16,709 --> 01:43:13,920
seeing this really huge

2494
01:43:18,870 --> 01:43:16,719
unidentified flying object it's a ufo

2495
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:18,880
nobody knows what it was right

2496
01:43:21,669 --> 01:43:20,880
and they got diverted to go investigate

2497
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:21,679
it

2498
01:43:28,629 --> 01:43:26,080
and thomas mantell went and flew up to a

2499
01:43:30,550 --> 01:43:28,639
relatively high altitude to go try to

2500
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:30,560
check it out and the next thing anybody

2501
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:32,800
knew the plane crashed and the pilot

2502
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:34,000
died

2503
01:43:37,030 --> 01:43:35,199
and

2504
01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:37,040
was that

2505
01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:38,560
pilot error

2506
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:40,000
plane failure

2507
01:43:44,790 --> 01:43:42,480
was it involved with the ufo

2508
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:44,800
the ufo was reported in

2509
01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:46,960
dozens of places

2510
01:43:50,550 --> 01:43:48,560
and then

2511
01:43:53,350 --> 01:43:50,560
when we were investigating it there was

2512
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:53,360
a document that showed

2513
01:43:58,229 --> 01:43:56,000
that a guy named dr schneider

2514
01:43:59,590 --> 01:43:58,239
from the faa at the time it was called

2515
01:44:03,030 --> 01:43:59,600
the federal

2516
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:03,040
aviation agency

2517
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:06,080
had been requesting all the data in 1964

2518
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:07,920
about this

2519
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:10,960
and he included a reason saying because

2520
01:44:16,870 --> 01:44:13,520
we're looking at another crash that was

2521
01:44:18,709 --> 01:44:16,880
almost identical in circumstances so to

2522
01:44:22,070 --> 01:44:18,719
be clear uh

2523
01:44:25,350 --> 01:44:22,080
for everybody uh dr schneider

2524
01:44:28,629 --> 01:44:25,360
was asking for information about the

2525
01:44:32,830 --> 01:44:28,639
thomas mantel crash in kentucky

2526
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:32,840
that happened uh only 17 years prior

2527
01:44:37,030 --> 01:44:35,199
right and

2528
01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:37,040
he wanted that information because he

2529
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:39,440
was compiling

2530
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:42,719
a lot of data about crashes of military

2531
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:44,159
aircraft

2532
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:46,159
but when he was asking so much

2533
01:44:51,669 --> 01:44:49,199
information about the mantel crash

2534
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:51,679
and said oh i've got another case

2535
01:44:54,470 --> 01:44:52,719
that

2536
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:54,480
is just

2537
01:44:57,669 --> 01:44:56,400
basically identical

2538
01:44:59,109 --> 01:44:57,679
i was like

2539
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:59,119
well that's weird yeah what does that

2540
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:00,719
mean

2541
01:45:04,870 --> 01:45:02,400
what's up with that you know

2542
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:04,880
what is this guy chasing ufos or being

2543
01:45:09,189 --> 01:45:06,480
attacked or something

2544
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:09,199
and so we launched an investigation

2545
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:10,800
and it took months

2546
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:12,000
but uh

2547
01:45:18,790 --> 01:45:15,119
it it didn't turn out to be

2548
01:45:21,830 --> 01:45:18,800
at least clearly attached to a ufo

2549
01:45:24,310 --> 01:45:21,840
but it was a really weird crash

2550
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:24,320
and this was a civilian pilot who had

2551
01:45:28,830 --> 01:45:25,440
purchased

2552
01:45:31,030 --> 01:45:28,840
a former canadian

2553
01:45:33,350 --> 01:45:31,040
p51 and

2554
01:45:35,430 --> 01:45:33,360
modified it in a

2555
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:35,440
probably very dangerous way

2556
01:45:41,109 --> 01:45:38,239
and put his family in there and so he

2557
01:45:43,669 --> 01:45:41,119
his wife and their three kids died in a

2558
01:45:46,629 --> 01:45:43,679
crash in oregon and that's

2559
01:45:48,550 --> 01:45:46,639
what dr schneider was investigating

2560
01:45:51,350 --> 01:45:48,560
and well okay

2561
01:45:52,629 --> 01:45:51,360
the the guy crashed there was a storm

2562
01:45:54,790 --> 01:45:52,639
you know

2563
01:45:55,750 --> 01:45:54,800
on the surface it looked

2564
01:45:58,709 --> 01:45:55,760
well

2565
01:46:01,109 --> 01:45:58,719
maybe it was a tragic accident

2566
01:46:03,350 --> 01:46:01,119
when you look at the details

2567
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:03,360
the government reports didn't match

2568
01:46:08,790 --> 01:46:06,239
anything that was reported in the media

2569
01:46:10,709 --> 01:46:08,800
nothing likewise

2570
01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:10,719
what was what was some of the first

2571
01:46:14,629 --> 01:46:12,880
clues

2572
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:14,639
um

2573
01:46:18,470 --> 01:46:17,520
it was initially reported by schneider

2574
01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:18,480
that

2575
01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:20,320
just like mantell

2576
01:46:23,590 --> 01:46:21,920
he had flown up

2577
01:46:25,669 --> 01:46:23,600
and the guy's name was

2578
01:46:28,229 --> 01:46:25,679
spock john spock

2579
01:46:31,270 --> 01:46:28,239
he had flown up too high

2580
01:46:32,629 --> 01:46:31,280
uh 19 20 000 feet had no oxygen

2581
01:46:33,910 --> 01:46:32,639
equipment

2582
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:33,920
succumbed to

2583
01:46:38,470 --> 01:46:37,040
hypoxia lack of oxygen and went into a

2584
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:38,480
nosedive

2585
01:46:41,189 --> 01:46:39,520
and

2586
01:46:43,510 --> 01:46:41,199
the plane

2587
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:43,520
has been reported in a few cases if you

2588
01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:45,600
go into a nosedive and you go too fast

2589
01:46:57,669 --> 01:46:46,400
it

2590
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:57,679
reports and the ntsb report

2591
01:47:01,990 --> 01:46:59,679
where five different people

2592
01:47:03,430 --> 01:47:02,000
said they saw the plane

2593
01:47:05,189 --> 01:47:03,440
flying

2594
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:05,199
straight and level

2595
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:07,440
below cloud cover

2596
01:47:11,030 --> 01:47:09,840
around 300 feet

2597
01:47:13,030 --> 01:47:11,040
and then it

2598
01:47:15,189 --> 01:47:13,040
exploded

2599
01:47:18,070 --> 01:47:15,199
it's really different than the

2600
01:47:19,030 --> 01:47:18,080
government explanation

2601
01:47:21,109 --> 01:47:19,040
so

2602
01:47:24,229 --> 01:47:21,119
what happened there

2603
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:24,239
i mean okay maybe the guy

2604
01:47:27,910 --> 01:47:25,440
passed out

2605
01:47:30,149 --> 01:47:27,920
and a plane went into a nosedive but if

2606
01:47:32,950 --> 01:47:30,159
he was able to recover

2607
01:47:35,109 --> 01:47:32,960
and then level out

2608
01:47:36,709 --> 01:47:35,119
and then suddenly the plane

2609
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:36,719
explodes and

2610
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:38,800
just blows up over

2611
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:39,600
in

2612
01:47:44,790 --> 01:47:42,000
some rural area

2613
01:47:46,149 --> 01:47:44,800
uh it it definitely happened we found

2614
01:47:48,830 --> 01:47:46,159
all the records

2615
01:47:52,229 --> 01:47:48,840
the plane did definitely

2616
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:52,239
crash what happened to it

2617
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:54,800
the official government account does not

2618
01:47:57,910 --> 01:47:56,239
match

2619
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:57,920
what was reported

2620
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:59,199
when

2621
01:48:03,109 --> 01:48:01,199
uh snyder you know

2622
01:48:06,470 --> 01:48:03,119
wrote his summary of it and he gave a

2623
01:48:08,550 --> 01:48:06,480
number of public you know uh

2624
01:48:09,510 --> 01:48:08,560
you know appearances and and talked

2625
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:09,520
about it

2626
01:48:11,990 --> 01:48:10,320
and

2627
01:48:13,510 --> 01:48:12,000
none of it matches up

2628
01:48:16,629 --> 01:48:13,520
and there were people that said the

2629
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:16,639
plane had the landing gear down like the

2630
01:48:20,550 --> 01:48:18,960
pilot was attempting to land

2631
01:48:21,350 --> 01:48:20,560
why would the plane

2632
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:21,360
just

2633
01:48:25,510 --> 01:48:22,560
blow up

2634
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:25,520
at that point if it survived a dive from

2635
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:27,119
20 000 feet

2636
01:48:29,669 --> 01:48:28,560
nothing matches

2637
01:48:31,590 --> 01:48:29,679
and

2638
01:48:33,910 --> 01:48:31,600
i don't know i we still have questions

2639
01:48:35,189 --> 01:48:33,920
but now we don't have any definitive

2640
01:48:38,310 --> 01:48:35,199
evidence that

2641
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:38,320
there's any sort of maybe ufo thing

2642
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:41,520
but wow it looks like a cover-up

2643
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:43,840
now uh what's the uh

2644
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:44,800
uh

2645
01:48:51,430 --> 01:48:48,639
the ufo connection for you

2646
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:51,440
well for me it was

2647
01:48:56,709 --> 01:48:54,719
it was schneider's keen interest

2648
01:48:59,430 --> 01:48:56,719
in the mantel crash

2649
01:49:00,550 --> 01:48:59,440
where it was that was definitely a ufo

2650
01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:00,560
event

2651
01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:02,800
there's no question everybody agrees

2652
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:06,239
there were sightings in three states

2653
01:49:11,030 --> 01:49:09,199
about some huge vehicle that nobody

2654
01:49:12,550 --> 01:49:11,040
could identify

2655
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:12,560
and

2656
01:49:16,629 --> 01:49:14,719
the the people at fort knox which is

2657
01:49:20,070 --> 01:49:16,639
where the airfield was

2658
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:20,080
they diverted mantel's flight

2659
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:22,480
and said go check this out

2660
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:25,840
and he got sent up uh the other pilots

2661
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:28,800
with him turn back and the next thing

2662
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,080
anybody knew

2663
01:49:35,109 --> 01:49:32,400
uh the plane crashed the guy was dead

2664
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:35,119
plane just exploded you know

2665
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:37,440
and it was written off as

2666
01:49:43,270 --> 01:49:40,400
will the pilot succumbed to epoxio went

2667
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:43,280
into a nosedive plane broke up

2668
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:45,760
it it was a horrible crash a terrible

2669
01:49:49,430 --> 01:49:47,280
thing

2670
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:49,440
and when he wrote

2671
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:51,760
numerous letters to everybody asking

2672
01:49:55,750 --> 01:49:54,159
about this oregon crash

2673
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:55,760
saying

2674
01:50:00,390 --> 01:49:58,159
we're investigating another crash that

2675
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:00,400
is and you use the phrase almost

2676
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:03,280
identical in circumstances

2677
01:50:07,750 --> 01:50:06,400
was he talking about

2678
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:07,760
a plane

2679
01:50:12,149 --> 01:50:10,400
about a pilot that

2680
01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:12,159
lost control

2681
01:50:19,030 --> 01:50:15,679
or was he talking about some weird

2682
01:50:21,589 --> 01:50:19,040
interaction did he see a ufo was he

2683
01:50:22,390 --> 01:50:21,599
chasing a ufo

2684
01:50:25,030 --> 01:50:22,400
or

2685
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:25,040
was there any radio uh

2686
01:50:27,910 --> 01:50:25,920
uh

2687
01:50:30,149 --> 01:50:27,920
yeah there was and that's the other

2688
01:50:31,350 --> 01:50:30,159
thing that was really weird

2689
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:31,360
there was

2690
01:50:35,109 --> 01:50:33,840
uh radio transmissions that were

2691
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:35,119
recorded

2692
01:50:39,189 --> 01:50:38,000
and they were talking to the guy when he

2693
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:39,199
was

2694
01:50:44,310 --> 01:50:41,040
ascending trying to get over the storm

2695
01:50:47,189 --> 01:50:44,320
there was a storm certainly true

2696
01:50:48,870 --> 01:50:47,199
and then they lost contact but then they

2697
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:48,880
had contact

2698
01:50:53,510 --> 01:50:51,360
saying that he was trying to angle

2699
01:50:55,750 --> 01:50:53,520
towards a landing

2700
01:50:58,790 --> 01:50:55,760
you know he was trying to get to

2701
01:51:00,950 --> 01:50:58,800
a local air base where he could land

2702
01:51:03,189 --> 01:51:00,960
and that matches one of the witnesses

2703
01:51:04,629 --> 01:51:03,199
saying they saw the landing gear down

2704
01:51:06,870 --> 01:51:04,639
right

2705
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:06,880
so

2706
01:51:10,790 --> 01:51:09,440
why did the planet explode

2707
01:51:15,270 --> 01:51:10,800
what happened

2708
01:51:18,629 --> 01:51:17,350
sorry yeah it's okay yeah

2709
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:18,639
it's not

2710
01:51:22,149 --> 01:51:19,520
and

2711
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:22,159
just congested um

2712
01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:25,760
it it was just such a strange case

2713
01:51:28,709 --> 01:51:26,800
and

2714
01:51:29,910 --> 01:51:28,719
after all the questions that are that

2715
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:29,920
arose

2716
01:51:35,669 --> 01:51:32,800
over the thomas mantone crash

2717
01:51:37,270 --> 01:51:35,679
i look at this one and i go

2718
01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:37,280
how is it

2719
01:51:41,830 --> 01:51:39,280
how are the reports so different the

2720
01:51:45,589 --> 01:51:41,840
official ntsb report

2721
01:51:49,109 --> 01:51:45,599
shows that the plane survived if it did

2722
01:51:51,750 --> 01:51:49,119
go into a nosedive it survived to go and

2723
01:51:54,149 --> 01:51:51,760
be flying straight and level

2724
01:51:55,910 --> 01:51:54,159
and then exploded

2725
01:51:57,270 --> 01:51:55,920
why

2726
01:52:00,830 --> 01:51:57,280
and

2727
01:52:04,229 --> 01:52:00,840
the government has no records of that to

2728
01:52:06,390 --> 01:52:04,239
explain why would a plane that did that

2729
01:52:08,870 --> 01:52:06,400
explode at that point

2730
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:08,880
it's a curious case jimmy yeah i mean

2731
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:10,880
i'm not saying we have evidence there

2732
01:52:14,070 --> 01:52:13,360
was a ufo involved or anything

2733
01:52:17,189 --> 01:52:14,080
but

2734
01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:17,199
the records do not match

2735
01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:19,920
the reported information and i think

2736
01:52:24,550 --> 01:52:21,520
it's worth another look

2737
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:24,560
are we in a different world today um is

2738
01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:25,679
this

2739
01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:33,040
um that the government up until

2740
01:52:36,790 --> 01:52:34,800
very recently

2741
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:36,800
was very comfortable in controlling the

2742
01:52:40,870 --> 01:52:38,560
narrative and controlling the flow of

2743
01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:40,880
information how things went out to the

2744
01:52:43,270 --> 01:52:42,239
press and what was released to the

2745
01:52:45,270 --> 01:52:43,280
public

2746
01:52:47,589 --> 01:52:45,280
that you know it's

2747
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:47,599
it's a very convenient thing to say

2748
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:49,679
that there was no internet back then

2749
01:52:55,109 --> 01:52:51,760
well of course there wasn't

2750
01:52:57,910 --> 01:52:55,119
uh we get that but the government has

2751
01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:57,920
their method of operation right and they

2752
01:53:00,950 --> 01:52:59,040
are used

2753
01:53:02,790 --> 01:53:00,960
this is evidence of

2754
01:53:05,030 --> 01:53:02,800
how they definitely

2755
01:53:08,229 --> 01:53:05,040
were able to control the narrative

2756
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:08,239
and today we have access to information

2757
01:53:12,149 --> 01:53:10,480
and we can go back like you

2758
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:12,159
and go back and look at this but we can

2759
01:53:17,109 --> 01:53:14,960
also look at modern stuff today

2760
01:53:18,870 --> 01:53:17,119
whether it's the nimitz or the roosevelt

2761
01:53:20,470 --> 01:53:18,880
or anything else we have flight aware we

2762
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:20,480
can look at radar data we can track

2763
01:53:24,229 --> 01:53:22,800
planes we can track satellites as

2764
01:53:26,950 --> 01:53:24,239
civilians

2765
01:53:29,830 --> 01:53:26,960
we have instant access to information

2766
01:53:32,310 --> 01:53:29,840
the government isn't in control anymore

2767
01:53:34,870 --> 01:53:33,589
i don't think so

2768
01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:34,880
um

2769
01:53:39,910 --> 01:53:37,440
there's a ton of things people see

2770
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:39,920
and now we have as you say instant

2771
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:41,199
access

2772
01:53:48,790 --> 01:53:42,080
i

2773
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:48,800
ufo guy

2774
01:53:52,070 --> 01:53:50,880
uh you know it's like oh i saw these

2775
01:53:53,589 --> 01:53:52,080
weird lights

2776
01:53:54,629 --> 01:53:53,599
and sometimes it turns out to be

2777
01:53:55,750 --> 01:53:54,639
starlink

2778
01:54:01,669 --> 01:53:55,760
you know

2779
01:54:04,870 --> 01:54:01,679
but a lot of other times it's not

2780
01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:04,880
so i think we are in a new era where

2781
01:54:10,149 --> 01:54:06,560
people can ask questions and they can

2782
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:10,159
say well here's all these reports

2783
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:13,199
and that helps us jimmy to go back

2784
01:54:17,669 --> 01:54:16,239
and look at the old cases like this one

2785
01:54:20,550 --> 01:54:17,679
and go

2786
01:54:23,430 --> 01:54:20,560
well here's your official explanation

2787
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:23,440
but that doesn't match these other

2788
01:54:26,229 --> 01:54:24,560
things

2789
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:26,239
and i think this

2790
01:54:29,189 --> 01:54:27,760
this case that you were talking about

2791
01:54:30,629 --> 01:54:29,199
that i wrote about

2792
01:54:32,149 --> 01:54:30,639
that's one of the ones we can go back

2793
01:54:34,870 --> 01:54:32,159
and look and go

2794
01:54:37,109 --> 01:54:34,880
really you you came up with an official

2795
01:54:39,669 --> 01:54:37,119
explanation you gave to everybody it's

2796
01:54:41,589 --> 01:54:39,679
been published everywhere i've i had

2797
01:54:43,270 --> 01:54:41,599
numerous links to government explanation

2798
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:43,280
saying you know okay that's what

2799
01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:44,400
happened

2800
01:54:48,709 --> 01:54:46,560
but it doesn't really make sense and

2801
01:54:51,830 --> 01:54:48,719
when you pair that up with what we're

2802
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:51,840
seeing today how much of that's true i

2803
01:54:55,589 --> 01:54:53,119
mean

2804
01:54:57,990 --> 01:54:55,599
are they lying about it

2805
01:54:58,709 --> 01:54:58,000
i don't want to be the conspiratory you

2806
01:54:59,669 --> 01:54:58,719
know

2807
01:55:01,430 --> 01:54:59,679
guy

2808
01:55:03,189 --> 01:55:01,440
talking about this but you can go all

2809
01:55:05,430 --> 01:55:03,199
the way back to roswell

2810
01:55:07,589 --> 01:55:05,440
the government covers stuff up we don't

2811
01:55:08,550 --> 01:55:07,599
know what they're covering up

2812
01:55:10,629 --> 01:55:08,560
i mean

2813
01:55:11,669 --> 01:55:10,639
roswell was a cover-up i'll just tell

2814
01:55:14,070 --> 01:55:11,679
you

2815
01:55:15,910 --> 01:55:14,080
we don't know what they were covering up

2816
01:55:18,070 --> 01:55:15,920
were they covering up an alien thing

2817
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:18,080
were they covering up a secret program

2818
01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:19,760
they didn't want to tell us about we

2819
01:55:24,550 --> 01:55:22,320
don't know but they definitely lied the

2820
01:55:25,750 --> 01:55:24,560
government lies all the time

2821
01:55:27,990 --> 01:55:25,760
you know

2822
01:55:29,669 --> 01:55:28,000
and i don't think we should be afraid to

2823
01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:29,679
say that

2824
01:55:34,629 --> 01:55:31,360
we've been lied to

2825
01:55:37,669 --> 01:55:34,639
many many many times

2826
01:55:38,550 --> 01:55:37,679
now if you're interested in this topic

2827
01:55:41,189 --> 01:55:38,560
i think

2828
01:55:44,310 --> 01:55:41,199
we are in an era where we're entitled to

2829
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:44,320
go and say okay let's see the records

2830
01:55:49,430 --> 01:55:46,880
what what actually happened what did you

2831
01:55:51,430 --> 01:55:49,440
find out what did you report what was

2832
01:55:54,550 --> 01:55:51,440
true well it wasn't true

2833
01:55:56,870 --> 01:55:54,560
right you know i mean that's where i am

2834
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:56,880
today jimmy i mean i'm just like i know

2835
01:56:00,629 --> 01:55:58,320
the government laws

2836
01:56:02,629 --> 01:56:00,639
sometimes they might even have

2837
01:56:05,589 --> 01:56:02,639
justification for lying

2838
01:56:07,990 --> 01:56:05,599
because they're covering up things that

2839
01:56:10,629 --> 01:56:08,000
could endanger national security

2840
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:10,639
but they lie about a lot of other crap

2841
01:56:14,629 --> 01:56:12,000
you know

2842
01:56:17,189 --> 01:56:14,639
so i i think that's where we are today i

2843
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:17,199
i think the public is more

2844
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:20,000
empowered right now than they've ever

2845
01:56:24,790 --> 01:56:21,520
been before

2846
01:56:27,430 --> 01:56:24,800
to go look at things happening today

2847
01:56:28,470 --> 01:56:27,440
all the stuff with lulu elizondo atip

2848
01:56:30,550 --> 01:56:28,480
all that

2849
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:30,560
and even the old stuff go download back

2850
01:56:35,669 --> 01:56:32,800
to roswell and go

2851
01:56:37,669 --> 01:56:35,679
really what what were you telling us and

2852
01:56:40,470 --> 01:56:37,679
why would you say that

2853
01:56:43,589 --> 01:56:40,480
if it looks like it clearly isn't true

2854
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:43,599
and that's where i am now i'm i i don't

2855
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:46,080
think we we have a definitive answer

2856
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:46,960
but

2857
01:56:51,830 --> 01:56:49,360
i i think it's clear we've been lied to

2858
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:51,840
a lot

2859
01:56:54,790 --> 01:56:53,280
why

2860
01:56:57,669 --> 01:56:54,800
i don't know yet yeah we got 10

2861
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:57,679
different explanations officially from

2862
01:57:00,629 --> 01:56:59,760
the government on roswell

2863
01:57:02,229 --> 01:57:00,639
oh yeah

2864
01:57:04,629 --> 01:57:02,239
at least at least

2865
01:57:05,750 --> 01:57:04,639
and and but here's uh

2866
01:57:09,109 --> 01:57:05,760
here's

2867
01:57:11,990 --> 01:57:09,119
lot i want your opinion

2868
01:57:13,790 --> 01:57:12,000
you you write a lot about uh politics

2869
01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:13,800
and military and defense spending in the

2870
01:57:17,669 --> 01:57:15,760
military-industrial complex it's it's

2871
01:57:20,550 --> 01:57:17,679
one of those things that you do

2872
01:57:24,149 --> 01:57:20,560
and if

2873
01:57:25,430 --> 01:57:24,159
if we suppose for a second that the tic

2874
01:57:28,470 --> 01:57:25,440
tac

2875
01:57:31,430 --> 01:57:28,480
is ours u.s technology secret government

2876
01:57:33,189 --> 01:57:31,440
program this is our tech

2877
01:57:34,550 --> 01:57:33,199
is that something

2878
01:57:37,430 --> 01:57:34,560
that

2879
01:57:39,510 --> 01:57:37,440
we would keep a secret or wouldn't we

2880
01:57:41,189 --> 01:57:39,520
show the world

2881
01:57:43,669 --> 01:57:41,199
that kind of technology and the

2882
01:57:45,109 --> 01:57:43,679
dominance that we possess

2883
01:57:46,790 --> 01:57:45,119
over everything else i don't think

2884
01:57:48,950 --> 01:57:46,800
that's something that we we haven't seen

2885
01:57:51,189 --> 01:57:48,960
a demonstration of the tic tac

2886
01:57:53,189 --> 01:57:51,199
anywhere we haven't seen it in syria

2887
01:57:56,070 --> 01:57:53,199
right uh

2888
01:57:56,950 --> 01:57:56,080
there hasn't been a demonstration of it

2889
01:58:00,229 --> 01:57:56,960
and

2890
01:58:02,070 --> 01:58:00,239
would we if it was our tech

2891
01:58:06,070 --> 01:58:02,080
wouldn't we demonstrate it wouldn't we

2892
01:58:09,589 --> 01:58:06,080
show that show that off

2893
01:58:12,149 --> 01:58:09,599
well that's a great question

2894
01:58:13,669 --> 01:58:12,159
i think it goes back a lot further than

2895
01:58:15,510 --> 01:58:13,679
that i mean

2896
01:58:17,830 --> 01:58:15,520
the attack that we're seeing with the

2897
01:58:20,470 --> 01:58:17,840
tic-tacs

2898
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:20,480
that would have to go back to pretty

2899
01:58:24,629 --> 01:58:22,800
much the 1940s

2900
01:58:26,470 --> 01:58:24,639
because we had

2901
01:58:29,189 --> 01:58:26,480
reports of stuff with the foo fighters

2902
01:58:34,709 --> 01:58:31,910
we would would we have never

2903
01:58:35,510 --> 01:58:34,719
unveiled that

2904
01:58:37,510 --> 01:58:35,520
well

2905
01:58:39,270 --> 01:58:37,520
yeah right right but that

2906
01:58:41,430 --> 01:58:39,280
just we have never

2907
01:58:44,870 --> 01:58:41,440
used it right

2908
01:58:46,629 --> 01:58:44,880
when we were in the middle of a conflict

2909
01:58:48,950 --> 01:58:46,639
you know

2910
01:58:50,229 --> 01:58:48,960
that doesn't make any sense to me jimmy

2911
01:58:52,390 --> 01:58:50,239
i mean if

2912
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:52,400
yeah you you keep stuff secret you know

2913
01:58:57,030 --> 01:58:54,800
we had the stealth blinds we were

2914
01:58:59,990 --> 01:58:57,040
developing them they were at area 51

2915
01:59:02,310 --> 01:59:00,000
everybody knows about it you know

2916
01:59:04,229 --> 01:59:02,320
but they eventually brought him out and

2917
01:59:06,790 --> 01:59:04,239
we were over in a rock and we were like

2918
01:59:08,950 --> 01:59:06,800
oh here's our stealth planes screw you

2919
01:59:10,629 --> 01:59:08,960
right you know and we just went and you

2920
01:59:13,270 --> 01:59:10,639
know nailed them

2921
01:59:15,350 --> 01:59:13,280
and that was only a period of like

2922
01:59:18,950 --> 01:59:15,360
15 years or so

2923
01:59:23,910 --> 01:59:21,589
we've had anti-gravity

2924
01:59:26,310 --> 01:59:23,920
for 70 years

2925
01:59:28,390 --> 01:59:26,320
and nobody ever

2926
01:59:31,830 --> 01:59:28,400
rolled it out and was like

2927
01:59:33,669 --> 01:59:31,840
whoa you're screwed bang right right

2928
01:59:36,070 --> 01:59:33,679
right right right right right you know

2929
01:59:38,310 --> 01:59:36,080
i'm sorry i'm not buying it man i'm not

2930
01:59:39,750 --> 01:59:38,320
buying it either i mean it's a it's a

2931
01:59:42,310 --> 01:59:39,760
possibility

2932
01:59:43,589 --> 01:59:42,320
anything is possible anything is

2933
01:59:45,270 --> 01:59:43,599
possible

2934
01:59:47,430 --> 01:59:45,280
but uh

2935
01:59:49,430 --> 01:59:47,440
we went through the vietnam war we went

2936
01:59:50,669 --> 01:59:49,440
through the iraq war

2937
01:59:54,229 --> 01:59:50,679
uh

2938
01:59:56,629 --> 01:59:54,239
afghanistan syria and no demonstration

2939
01:59:58,470 --> 01:59:56,639
of tic tac any grav technology that i

2940
02:00:00,470 --> 01:59:58,480
know of

2941
02:00:03,270 --> 02:00:00,480
let let's go back to world war two for a

2942
02:00:04,709 --> 02:00:03,280
minute a lot of people have

2943
02:00:07,430 --> 02:00:04,719
theories that

2944
02:00:09,510 --> 02:00:07,440
it was actually the nazis

2945
02:00:11,510 --> 02:00:09,520
that developed this

2946
02:00:14,550 --> 02:00:11,520
anti-gravity

2947
02:00:15,830 --> 02:00:14,560
technology and they had the the bell you

2948
02:00:18,629 --> 02:00:15,840
know and all that

2949
02:00:21,830 --> 02:00:18,639
it's like okay so the nazis

2950
02:00:23,430 --> 02:00:21,840
had anti-gravity technology and they had

2951
02:00:26,709 --> 02:00:23,440
all this

2952
02:00:29,990 --> 02:00:26,719
how did you lose the war

2953
02:00:32,390 --> 02:00:30,000
how did you get beaten if you had all of

2954
02:00:36,229 --> 02:00:35,430
i i don't it sounds kind of blunt to say

2955
02:00:38,310 --> 02:00:36,239
that

2956
02:00:40,870 --> 02:00:38,320
but really if you want to accuse the

2957
02:00:42,870 --> 02:00:40,880
nazis of having had that

2958
02:00:45,589 --> 02:00:42,880
it's like well why did you lose world

2959
02:00:47,430 --> 02:00:45,599
war two you had any gravity you should

2960
02:00:50,550 --> 02:00:47,440
have just wiped us out

2961
02:00:52,870 --> 02:00:50,560
right you know and i i think that that

2962
02:00:54,470 --> 02:00:52,880
still applies today let's take our break

2963
02:00:56,629 --> 02:00:54,480
right here this is fade to black i'm

2964
02:00:58,229 --> 02:00:56,639
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2966
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3050
02:04:38,069 --> 02:04:35,280
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3073
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3074
02:06:13,189 --> 02:05:59,790
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3075
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3076
02:06:17,109 --> 02:06:15,119
welcome back fade to black i am your

3077
02:06:18,000 --> 02:06:17,119
host jimmy church tonight jazz shaw is

3078
02:06:19,189 --> 02:06:18,010
with us

3079
02:06:21,910 --> 02:06:19,199
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3080
02:06:24,629 --> 02:06:21,920
what a great conversation and uh i'm

3081
02:06:26,149 --> 02:06:24,639
learning a lot tonight and

3082
02:06:28,149 --> 02:06:26,159
i want to push things a little bit

3083
02:06:29,830 --> 02:06:28,159
further uh with you jazz

3084
02:06:31,750 --> 02:06:29,840
um i'm going gonna ask you a direct

3085
02:06:34,390 --> 02:06:31,760
question what was the last time you had

3086
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correspondence uh with a susan goff

3087
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unmute

3089
02:06:45,669 --> 02:06:43,760
you've got something muted

3090
02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:45,679
oh either sorry

3091
02:06:48,629 --> 02:06:46,800
my bad

3092
02:06:51,030 --> 02:06:48,639
i i was

3093
02:06:53,990 --> 02:06:51,040
it's okay it's okay uh about two weeks

3094
02:06:55,669 --> 02:06:54,000
ago yeah and uh and can i ask you what

3095
02:06:56,709 --> 02:06:55,679
that was about and the reason why i'm

3096
02:06:57,910 --> 02:06:56,719
asking

3097
02:07:01,350 --> 02:06:57,920
uh

3098
02:07:02,709 --> 02:07:01,360
do you feel that our days are numbered

3099
02:07:03,669 --> 02:07:02,719
with her

3100
02:07:05,510 --> 02:07:03,679
uh

3101
02:07:07,270 --> 02:07:05,520
making public announcements when it

3102
02:07:09,350 --> 02:07:07,280
comes to uap

3103
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:09,360
no i don't think her days are never

3104
02:07:13,189 --> 02:07:11,119
about that at all i think she's totally

3105
02:07:14,310 --> 02:07:13,199
in control of this

3106
02:07:17,669 --> 02:07:14,320
uh

3107
02:07:18,629 --> 02:07:17,679
nobody has shown any inclination to

3108
02:07:21,189 --> 02:07:18,639
you know

3109
02:07:22,790 --> 02:07:21,199
check that as far as i can tell

3110
02:07:24,950 --> 02:07:22,800
uh i

3111
02:07:32,790 --> 02:07:24,960
can

3112
02:07:33,830 --> 02:07:32,800
i had a request that i sent

3113
02:07:36,870 --> 02:07:33,840
uh

3114
02:07:39,910 --> 02:07:36,880
that involved the uap topic

3115
02:07:41,589 --> 02:07:39,920
i sent it to an agency that was entirely

3116
02:07:44,550 --> 02:07:41,599
outside

3117
02:07:45,750 --> 02:07:44,560
of susan goff's area

3118
02:07:47,669 --> 02:07:45,760
and

3119
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:47,679
i did the ua

3120
02:07:51,990 --> 02:07:49,920
the usual request

3121
02:07:53,109 --> 02:07:52,000
instead of getting a response

3122
02:07:56,149 --> 02:07:53,119
from

3123
02:07:58,069 --> 02:07:56,159
the agency that i sent the request to

3124
02:08:00,470 --> 02:07:58,079
for a foia

3125
02:08:01,990 --> 02:08:00,480
i got a response directly from susan

3126
02:08:05,030 --> 02:08:02,000
goff

3127
02:08:08,709 --> 02:08:05,040
i didn't send it to her agency i sent it

3128
02:08:12,709 --> 02:08:08,719
to an entirely different agency they

3129
02:08:13,510 --> 02:08:12,719
they had taken my foia request

3130
02:08:15,990 --> 02:08:13,520
and

3131
02:08:17,589 --> 02:08:16,000
i don't know there's even a legal basis

3132
02:08:19,270 --> 02:08:17,599
for this

3133
02:08:22,310 --> 02:08:19,280
they sent it to her

3134
02:08:24,870 --> 02:08:22,320
she responded to me directly

3135
02:08:26,790 --> 02:08:24,880
when i wasn't even asking about her

3136
02:08:27,990 --> 02:08:26,800
division

3137
02:08:31,669 --> 02:08:28,000
everything

3138
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:31,679
gets directed to her

3139
02:08:38,229 --> 02:08:33,599
and she responds

3140
02:08:43,109 --> 02:08:41,109
shall we say very informative

3141
02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:43,119
but we you know we've had a relationship

3142
02:08:49,350 --> 02:08:46,320
for a while you know and i

3143
02:08:52,390 --> 02:08:49,360
i talk to her and i publish things that

3144
02:08:55,350 --> 02:08:52,400
i've gotten from her you can go look at

3145
02:08:57,109 --> 02:08:55,360
my background you know i've published a

3146
02:08:58,870 --> 02:08:57,119
lot of things that she gave me

3147
02:09:00,069 --> 02:08:58,880
statements on

3148
02:09:02,069 --> 02:09:00,079
i wasn't

3149
02:09:04,470 --> 02:09:02,079
always happy with them

3150
02:09:05,589 --> 02:09:04,480
but you know she she's the one who

3151
02:09:08,709 --> 02:09:05,599
answers

3152
02:09:11,270 --> 02:09:08,719
but i think this is an example of where

3153
02:09:12,709 --> 02:09:11,280
the foia process has been kind of

3154
02:09:13,990 --> 02:09:12,719
subverted

3155
02:09:16,629 --> 02:09:14,000
because

3156
02:09:18,790 --> 02:09:16,639
you should be able to go to

3157
02:09:21,350 --> 02:09:18,800
a different air force

3158
02:09:23,030 --> 02:09:21,360
the example i have i sent a request to

3159
02:09:25,510 --> 02:09:23,040
wright patterson

3160
02:09:28,550 --> 02:09:25,520
you know a photo request it's like oh

3161
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:28,560
here's this set of documents that we saw

3162
02:09:31,189 --> 02:09:29,360
and

3163
02:09:33,270 --> 02:09:31,199
we'd like to hear more about this you

3164
02:09:35,589 --> 02:09:33,280
know what do you have

3165
02:09:37,109 --> 02:09:35,599
and instead of getting a response from

3166
02:09:38,709 --> 02:09:37,119
my voice request

3167
02:09:41,830 --> 02:09:38,719
from wright patterson

3168
02:09:42,709 --> 02:09:41,840
i got a response from susan goff

3169
02:09:45,270 --> 02:09:42,719
and

3170
02:09:47,750 --> 02:09:45,280
that's not even her area

3171
02:09:49,669 --> 02:09:47,760
all of the requests that have anything

3172
02:09:53,350 --> 02:09:49,679
to do with uap

3173
02:09:55,030 --> 02:09:53,360
get channeled over to citizen golf

3174
02:09:57,430 --> 02:09:55,040
and they get

3175
02:10:00,550 --> 02:09:57,440
then responded to

3176
02:10:04,390 --> 02:10:00,560
and the responses are not always in my

3177
02:10:06,629 --> 02:10:04,400
opinion that's just an opinion

3178
02:10:08,310 --> 02:10:06,639
not really transparent

3179
02:10:10,950 --> 02:10:08,320
so

3180
02:10:13,589 --> 02:10:10,960
yeah we we've had a relationship you

3181
02:10:15,589 --> 02:10:13,599
know i've had some very

3182
02:10:18,310 --> 02:10:15,599
positive

3183
02:10:19,270 --> 02:10:18,320
you know conversations with susan goff

3184
02:10:20,310 --> 02:10:19,280
but

3185
02:10:23,189 --> 02:10:20,320
uh

3186
02:10:26,470 --> 02:10:23,199
she controls everything that's going on

3187
02:10:29,669 --> 02:10:26,480
in terms of discussing the uab topic

3188
02:10:33,430 --> 02:10:29,679
it's all been turned over to her

3189
02:10:36,790 --> 02:10:33,440
is this is the is the infighting uh that

3190
02:10:41,109 --> 02:10:36,800
you see inside of the ufo community

3191
02:10:44,310 --> 02:10:41,119
uh a microcosm of just about every other

3192
02:10:46,310 --> 02:10:44,320
area out there the same infighting goes

3193
02:10:48,629 --> 02:10:46,320
on inside of the pentagon

3194
02:10:51,030 --> 02:10:48,639
it's probably going on over at harvard

3195
02:10:53,030 --> 02:10:51,040
with avi loeb it goes on inside of the

3196
02:10:55,430 --> 02:10:53,040
science community

3197
02:10:57,589 --> 02:10:55,440
the physics community debating these

3198
02:10:59,350 --> 02:10:57,599
issues back and forth

3199
02:11:01,189 --> 02:10:59,360
is is

3200
02:11:05,109 --> 02:11:01,199
this just a commonality between

3201
02:11:11,510 --> 02:11:07,589
man we

3202
02:11:14,629 --> 02:11:11,520
i'd love to say yes we don't know

3203
02:11:19,430 --> 02:11:14,639
we really don't um

3204
02:11:22,470 --> 02:11:19,440
a lot of this information is so closeted

3205
02:11:25,109 --> 02:11:22,480
and the government channels everything

3206
02:11:27,510 --> 02:11:25,119
into a very tight

3207
02:11:30,629 --> 02:11:27,520
narrow

3208
02:11:34,149 --> 02:11:33,189
i don't even know what the word is

3209
02:11:39,750 --> 02:11:34,159
they

3210
02:11:40,870 --> 02:11:39,760
part of it might be legitimately you

3211
02:11:42,870 --> 02:11:40,880
know

3212
02:11:45,830 --> 02:11:42,880
maybe this should be classified

3213
02:11:47,109 --> 02:11:45,840
but everything is passed through susan

3214
02:11:51,270 --> 02:11:47,119
got

3215
02:11:54,310 --> 02:11:51,280
she's the only one who gets to comment

3216
02:11:56,870 --> 02:11:54,320
everything if you send a

3217
02:12:00,629 --> 02:11:56,880
uap related request

3218
02:12:03,430 --> 02:12:00,639
to the air force if you send it to

3219
02:12:04,310 --> 02:12:03,440
the department of energy dni

3220
02:12:08,950 --> 02:12:04,320
right

3221
02:12:11,910 --> 02:12:08,960
she's the one who answers and the

3222
02:12:13,750 --> 02:12:11,920
answers are very vague

3223
02:12:16,709 --> 02:12:13,760
if you get an answer at all

3224
02:12:18,310 --> 02:12:16,719
so yeah we we've had conversations

3225
02:12:19,270 --> 02:12:18,320
and

3226
02:12:22,149 --> 02:12:19,280
i'm

3227
02:12:23,910 --> 02:12:22,159
not happy with the responses so

3228
02:12:24,790 --> 02:12:23,920
i i don't know what to say about that

3229
02:12:27,910 --> 02:12:24,800
we're

3230
02:12:28,950 --> 02:12:27,920
so

3231
02:12:31,669 --> 02:12:28,960
when we

3232
02:12:32,709 --> 02:12:31,679
we look at uh

3233
02:12:39,510 --> 02:12:32,719
the

3234
02:12:41,270 --> 02:12:39,520
budget it's been signed off now we're

3235
02:12:44,470 --> 02:12:41,280
moving forward

3236
02:12:45,669 --> 02:12:44,480
there are some very specific things in

3237
02:12:48,790 --> 02:12:45,679
there

3238
02:12:51,270 --> 02:12:48,800
that uh without you know i'm not a

3239
02:12:52,629 --> 02:12:51,280
politician or a legal expert

3240
02:12:56,149 --> 02:12:52,639
but now

3241
02:12:59,669 --> 02:12:56,159
in some sorts of it it's become law

3242
02:13:03,270 --> 02:12:59,679
so there are some requirements in there

3243
02:13:05,669 --> 02:13:03,280
and one of them is a semi-annual public

3244
02:13:06,870 --> 02:13:05,679
report there's an annual classified

3245
02:13:07,910 --> 02:13:06,880
report

3246
02:13:11,189 --> 02:13:07,920
now

3247
02:13:14,709 --> 02:13:11,199
some of those terms have been changed

3248
02:13:17,589 --> 02:13:14,719
that there may be four reports a year a

3249
02:13:20,709 --> 02:13:17,599
a classified version a final report at

3250
02:13:23,030 --> 02:13:20,719
the end of the year a semi-annual

3251
02:13:27,270 --> 02:13:23,040
public version of this report

3252
02:13:29,030 --> 02:13:27,280
but who is going to do the inter-agency

3253
02:13:31,750 --> 02:13:29,040
policing

3254
02:13:34,229 --> 02:13:31,760
to assemble the data

3255
02:13:34,950 --> 02:13:34,239
from the branches of the military and

3256
02:13:36,709 --> 02:13:34,960
the

3257
02:13:39,350 --> 02:13:36,719
16 or 19

3258
02:13:41,350 --> 02:13:39,360
intelligence agencies that are also

3259
02:13:43,510 --> 02:13:41,360
compiling information

3260
02:13:45,830 --> 02:13:43,520
that that's what we don't know

3261
02:13:48,149 --> 02:13:45,840
that's what we need to find out you're

3262
02:13:49,270 --> 02:13:48,159
you're pinging on exactly the right

3263
02:13:51,669 --> 02:13:49,280
question

3264
02:13:53,990 --> 02:13:51,679
we there's supposed to be

3265
02:13:56,709 --> 02:13:54,000
reports public reports

3266
02:13:58,790 --> 02:13:56,719
other reports that are classified that

3267
02:14:00,149 --> 02:13:58,800
are only going to be presented to the

3268
02:14:02,629 --> 02:14:00,159
congress

3269
02:14:05,109 --> 02:14:02,639
but who's controlling that

3270
02:14:06,629 --> 02:14:05,119
we we don't know that

3271
02:14:08,870 --> 02:14:06,639
and the people that have asked the

3272
02:14:11,270 --> 02:14:08,880
questions have gotten

3273
02:14:13,189 --> 02:14:11,280
really nothing in response

3274
02:14:15,589 --> 02:14:13,199
you know there's

3275
02:14:16,550 --> 02:14:15,599
there are going to be reports

3276
02:14:18,790 --> 02:14:16,560
but

3277
02:14:20,069 --> 02:14:18,800
the article that you referenced a little

3278
02:14:21,669 --> 02:14:20,079
while ago

3279
02:14:23,669 --> 02:14:21,679
um

3280
02:14:24,629 --> 02:14:23,679
everything is supposed to be classified

3281
02:14:27,830 --> 02:14:24,639
now

3282
02:14:29,189 --> 02:14:27,840
they're moving to make everything secret

3283
02:14:33,270 --> 02:14:29,199
so

3284
02:14:35,030 --> 02:14:33,280
anything

3285
02:14:37,189 --> 02:14:35,040
from congress

3286
02:14:40,870 --> 02:14:37,199
when they see the classified reports

3287
02:14:44,629 --> 02:14:40,880
right right or is it just gonna be

3288
02:14:47,109 --> 02:14:44,639
back down the you know the black chimney

3289
02:14:49,030 --> 02:14:47,119
you know and we don't find out

3290
02:14:51,510 --> 02:14:49,040
i i don't think we have the answer to

3291
02:14:52,629 --> 02:14:51,520
that jimmy i i really don't

3292
02:14:55,109 --> 02:14:52,639
is the

3293
02:14:56,390 --> 02:14:55,119
here's my pandora's box i'm i'm

3294
02:14:58,629 --> 02:14:56,400
wondering if

3295
02:14:59,589 --> 02:14:58,639
if it's the same for you

3296
02:15:03,109 --> 02:14:59,599
that

3297
02:15:05,270 --> 02:15:03,119
the uap task force report

3298
02:15:08,390 --> 02:15:05,280
june 25th of last year

3299
02:15:11,910 --> 02:15:08,400
is that going to be as good as it gets

3300
02:15:13,910 --> 02:15:11,920
as bad as that was for us right

3301
02:15:15,430 --> 02:15:13,920
is that going to be as good as it gets

3302
02:15:17,589 --> 02:15:15,440
and then from here on out we're not

3303
02:15:20,390 --> 02:15:17,599
going to get anything close

3304
02:15:23,830 --> 02:15:20,400
to what was in that report which quite

3305
02:15:24,870 --> 02:15:23,840
frankly didn't have much

3306
02:15:27,990 --> 02:15:24,880
it

3307
02:15:30,149 --> 02:15:28,000
if the pentagon gets what they want

3308
02:15:31,910 --> 02:15:30,159
i would say the answer is yes

3309
02:15:33,270 --> 02:15:31,920
that's what we're going to get

3310
02:15:36,550 --> 02:15:33,280
you know

3311
02:15:40,709 --> 02:15:36,560
i'm hoping that's not the case i know

3312
02:15:43,510 --> 02:15:40,719
that senator brandt has been pushing to

3313
02:15:44,870 --> 02:15:43,520
you know get more transparency and get

3314
02:15:46,629 --> 02:15:44,880
more answers

3315
02:15:49,189 --> 02:15:46,639
but

3316
02:15:51,589 --> 02:15:49,199
i don't know how much leverage we have

3317
02:15:54,229 --> 02:15:51,599
we need somebody

3318
02:15:56,310 --> 02:15:54,239
at a very high level to say

3319
02:15:57,350 --> 02:15:56,320
no you can't just keep locking all this

3320
02:15:58,950 --> 02:15:57,360
up

3321
02:16:01,189 --> 02:15:58,960
we don't have that yet

3322
02:16:02,950 --> 02:16:01,199
we we definitely don't

3323
02:16:04,470 --> 02:16:02,960
and

3324
02:16:06,550 --> 02:16:04,480
i don't know

3325
02:16:08,390 --> 02:16:06,560
if there is any leverage

3326
02:16:11,109 --> 02:16:08,400
to say

3327
02:16:13,430 --> 02:16:11,119
oh all this stuff we have

3328
02:16:14,870 --> 02:16:13,440
the big thing is like the longer videos

3329
02:16:16,550 --> 02:16:14,880
the congress people

3330
02:16:19,430 --> 02:16:16,560
have seen

3331
02:16:22,229 --> 02:16:19,440
should those be released

3332
02:16:23,990 --> 02:16:22,239
well my answer i would say is yes

3333
02:16:26,470 --> 02:16:24,000
but

3334
02:16:29,510 --> 02:16:26,480
do we have any leverage

3335
02:16:30,790 --> 02:16:29,520
can they just say i'm sorry

3336
02:16:33,190 --> 02:16:30,800
that's

3337
02:16:34,150 --> 02:16:33,200
could be national security

3338
02:16:35,190 --> 02:16:34,160
whatever

3339
02:16:36,549 --> 02:16:35,200
you know

3340
02:16:40,950 --> 02:16:36,559
um

3341
02:16:43,589 --> 02:16:40,960
i i think the possibility exists that

3342
02:16:44,629 --> 02:16:43,599
they're just gonna lock everything up

3343
02:16:47,110 --> 02:16:44,639
do you think

3344
02:16:51,589 --> 02:16:47,120
do you see are they hoping

3345
02:16:56,389 --> 02:16:51,599
that this issue is is going to go away

3346
02:16:59,910 --> 02:16:56,399
right where we we stop with the pressure

3347
02:17:02,309 --> 02:16:59,920
and that it just magically goes away and

3348
02:17:04,790 --> 02:17:02,319
they don't have to deal with this

3349
02:17:06,950 --> 02:17:04,800
we're talking opinion right yes

3350
02:17:09,030 --> 02:17:06,960
yeah that's what they want that's what

3351
02:17:10,309 --> 02:17:09,040
the pentagon wants that's what susan

3352
02:17:12,709 --> 02:17:10,319
goff wants

3353
02:17:15,270 --> 02:17:12,719
they want it to go away they want people

3354
02:17:17,669 --> 02:17:15,280
to stop asking

3355
02:17:19,669 --> 02:17:17,679
they want to keep this locked up

3356
02:17:21,190 --> 02:17:19,679
that's my opinion

3357
02:17:23,589 --> 02:17:21,200
um

3358
02:17:26,870 --> 02:17:23,599
but i think we can get past it i think

3359
02:17:29,910 --> 02:17:26,880
we do have people like marco rubio and

3360
02:17:33,110 --> 02:17:29,920
uh kirsten gilbrand you know who

3361
02:17:35,030 --> 02:17:33,120
want to have an evaluation of the data

3362
02:17:36,709 --> 02:17:35,040
and say how much of this

3363
02:17:38,389 --> 02:17:36,719
is national security

3364
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:38,399
and how much of this

3365
02:17:42,629 --> 02:17:41,120
is a real concern for the public

3366
02:17:43,669 --> 02:17:42,639
that we should have a discussion about

3367
02:17:46,549 --> 02:17:43,679
this

3368
02:17:47,589 --> 02:17:46,559
and i hope that happens jimmy i really

3369
02:17:51,110 --> 02:17:47,599
do

3370
02:17:54,230 --> 02:17:51,120
i'm not entirely confident it will

3371
02:17:57,830 --> 02:17:54,240
i i really think they're

3372
02:18:00,389 --> 02:17:57,840
we we have the pentagon and everybody

3373
02:18:01,830 --> 02:18:00,399
inside of that structure

3374
02:18:05,190 --> 02:18:01,840
who has been

3375
02:18:07,110 --> 02:18:05,200
just taking for granted for so long

3376
02:18:10,389 --> 02:18:07,120
it's like well if we say it's secretive

3377
02:18:13,030 --> 02:18:10,399
secret right right right right and yeah

3378
02:18:15,910 --> 02:18:13,040
i i don't i don't know if we cross that

3379
02:18:18,070 --> 02:18:15,920
barrier yet jimmy i i think

3380
02:18:21,750 --> 02:18:18,080
they may be able to

3381
02:18:24,309 --> 02:18:21,760
just horn swaggle everybody and go nope

3382
02:18:27,030 --> 02:18:24,319
nope that's what we're doing were you

3383
02:18:31,349 --> 02:18:27,040
surprised uh

3384
02:18:33,030 --> 02:18:31,359
uh with uh john greenwald's uh reveal uh

3385
02:18:34,230 --> 02:18:33,040
two days ago

3386
02:18:35,030 --> 02:18:34,240
that

3387
02:18:37,669 --> 02:18:35,040
the

3388
02:18:40,389 --> 02:18:37,679
barack obama library

3389
02:18:41,830 --> 02:18:40,399
has over three thousand close to four

3390
02:18:45,669 --> 02:18:41,840
thousand

3391
02:18:49,990 --> 02:18:45,679
documents that reference atip and uap

3392
02:18:51,190 --> 02:18:50,000
no no i wasn't surprised at all i had a

3393
02:18:53,589 --> 02:18:51,200
request

3394
02:18:54,629 --> 02:18:53,599
along similar lines uh to another

3395
02:18:57,669 --> 02:18:54,639
library

3396
02:18:59,990 --> 02:18:57,679
and there are documents out there that

3397
02:19:02,950 --> 02:19:00,000
nobody has seen yet

3398
02:19:05,669 --> 02:19:02,960
the question is how many of them got out

3399
02:19:08,070 --> 02:19:05,679
when f4 requests was put in right and

3400
02:19:09,190 --> 02:19:08,080
john is a friend of mine

3401
02:19:11,830 --> 02:19:09,200
um

3402
02:19:15,509 --> 02:19:11,840
he's done amazing work

3403
02:19:21,830 --> 02:19:18,469
i'm worried that the fact

3404
02:19:23,669 --> 02:19:21,840
that john submitted the request

3405
02:19:25,349 --> 02:19:23,679
and got a response saying oh we've got

3406
02:19:27,110 --> 02:19:25,359
all these documents

3407
02:19:28,389 --> 02:19:27,120
there's a bunch of people

3408
02:19:32,070 --> 02:19:28,399
out there in the government that are

3409
02:19:33,110 --> 02:19:32,080
like holy crap was that in the library

3410
02:19:35,669 --> 02:19:33,120
you know

3411
02:19:37,349 --> 02:19:35,679
and there's a lot of shuffling going on

3412
02:19:41,190 --> 02:19:37,359
right now

3413
02:19:43,910 --> 02:19:41,200
there was a there was a secondary reply

3414
02:19:45,830 --> 02:19:43,920
uh i think john uh put it out there

3415
02:19:50,389 --> 02:19:45,840
today it might have been yesterday it's

3416
02:19:53,910 --> 02:19:50,399
all happening so fast that even if

3417
02:19:57,030 --> 02:19:53,920
they approved the request

3418
02:19:59,750 --> 02:19:57,040
it would take 16 years

3419
02:20:02,469 --> 02:19:59,760
until he got the documents

3420
02:20:03,590 --> 02:20:02,479
yeah um they do that a lot

3421
02:20:06,070 --> 02:20:03,600
uh

3422
02:20:07,270 --> 02:20:06,080
there was another article recently that

3423
02:20:09,910 --> 02:20:07,280
i wrote

3424
02:20:11,670 --> 02:20:09,920
that dealt with the fbi

3425
02:20:12,790 --> 02:20:11,680
uh

3426
02:20:15,750 --> 02:20:12,800
some of your

3427
02:20:18,550 --> 02:20:15,760
listeners will already be aware of this

3428
02:20:19,590 --> 02:20:18,560
the fbi had gone and

3429
02:20:22,389 --> 02:20:19,600
like

3430
02:20:23,910 --> 02:20:22,399
apparently dug up a bunch of civil war

3431
02:20:25,830 --> 02:20:23,920
gold

3432
02:20:26,710 --> 02:20:25,840
in pennsylvania

3433
02:20:29,750 --> 02:20:26,720
and

3434
02:20:31,190 --> 02:20:29,760
when somebody sent a for a request they

3435
02:20:34,389 --> 02:20:31,200
repeatedly

3436
02:20:36,550 --> 02:20:34,399
tried to you know thwart foia

3437
02:20:38,150 --> 02:20:36,560
and then they said okay well

3438
02:20:40,389 --> 02:20:38,160
yeah we have documents but it's going to

3439
02:20:43,510 --> 02:20:40,399
take years to go through this so we

3440
02:20:46,389 --> 02:20:43,520
can't tell you about it so yeah there

3441
02:20:47,510 --> 02:20:46,399
i i think there is a government history

3442
02:20:48,469 --> 02:20:47,520
of

3443
02:20:50,230 --> 02:20:48,479
saying

3444
02:20:51,830 --> 02:20:50,240
oh well you might have caught us doing

3445
02:20:53,270 --> 02:20:51,840
something bad

3446
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:53,280
but we're going to need time to go

3447
02:20:56,150 --> 02:20:54,640
through this

3448
02:21:00,070 --> 02:20:56,160
you know

3449
02:21:06,389 --> 02:21:00,080
the

3450
02:21:08,309 --> 02:21:06,399
examples

3451
02:21:09,750 --> 02:21:08,319
but the government's been doing this for

3452
02:21:11,110 --> 02:21:09,760
a long

3453
02:21:13,910 --> 02:21:11,120
time jimmy

3454
02:21:14,710 --> 02:21:13,920
and they're really good at it

3455
02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:14,720
and

3456
02:21:20,150 --> 02:21:18,080
we we only have limited resources to go

3457
02:21:21,590 --> 02:21:20,160
hey that's not right

3458
02:21:25,030 --> 02:21:21,600
and

3459
02:21:26,389 --> 02:21:25,040
the garment gets years to go

3460
02:21:27,750 --> 02:21:26,399
oh isn't it right

3461
02:21:30,790 --> 02:21:27,760
you know

3462
02:21:36,550 --> 02:21:33,510
over and over again right right right

3463
02:21:37,349 --> 02:21:36,560
right right no that's uh that's exactly

3464
02:21:38,950 --> 02:21:37,359
right

3465
02:21:41,590 --> 02:21:38,960
and and here's a

3466
02:21:42,710 --> 02:21:41,600
another example of uh

3467
02:21:45,030 --> 02:21:42,720
part of

3468
02:21:46,309 --> 02:21:45,040
i i don't want to put words in john's

3469
02:21:48,630 --> 02:21:46,319
mouth or

3470
02:21:50,309 --> 02:21:48,640
or the obama library but so i'm going to

3471
02:21:53,270 --> 02:21:50,319
paraphrase a little bit

3472
02:21:56,309 --> 02:21:53,280
but i think john said uh hey well how

3473
02:21:57,590 --> 02:21:56,319
about can can i review the documents

3474
02:21:59,910 --> 02:21:57,600
myself

3475
02:22:01,990 --> 02:21:59,920
right can i can i go and and look at

3476
02:22:03,670 --> 02:22:02,000
them myself because i think they said

3477
02:22:06,150 --> 02:22:03,680
they didn't have the manpower the

3478
02:22:08,230 --> 02:22:06,160
resources to go through uh this somehow

3479
02:22:11,270 --> 02:22:08,240
they came up with the number 3800 or

3480
02:22:12,950 --> 02:22:11,280
whatever it was so they know the amount

3481
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:12,960
but they

3482
02:22:17,990 --> 02:22:16,160
even if we offered them a staff

3483
02:22:21,510 --> 02:22:18,000
right to go in and look at the documents

3484
02:22:24,550 --> 02:22:21,520
and review them and and and make copies

3485
02:22:25,510 --> 02:22:24,560
they wouldn't allow that to happen uh as

3486
02:22:28,389 --> 02:22:25,520
well

3487
02:22:31,030 --> 02:22:28,399
and and this 16-year

3488
02:22:33,270 --> 02:22:31,040
uh mention was the reply

3489
02:22:35,110 --> 02:22:33,280
and which goes back to your point right

3490
02:22:38,790 --> 02:22:35,120
they are so used to saying well you know

3491
02:22:41,750 --> 02:22:38,800
what uh it is what it is you gotta wait

3492
02:22:43,110 --> 02:22:41,760
and and we have to take that

3493
02:22:44,870 --> 02:22:43,120
well

3494
02:22:48,230 --> 02:22:44,880
you're talking about going back to the

3495
02:22:51,990 --> 02:22:48,240
article we're just talking about

3496
02:22:52,950 --> 02:22:52,000
i went and made multiple requests about

3497
02:22:54,790 --> 02:22:52,960
the

3498
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:54,800
organ crash

3499
02:22:59,270 --> 02:22:56,640
i got

3500
02:23:01,990 --> 02:22:59,280
repeatedly answered there's no documents

3501
02:23:05,030 --> 02:23:02,000
sorry we don't have anything or

3502
02:23:08,630 --> 02:23:05,040
it's not applicable to us when i got the

3503
02:23:10,790 --> 02:23:08,640
documents from the university in arizona

3504
02:23:12,469 --> 02:23:10,800
that had all of them they were not

3505
02:23:15,030 --> 02:23:12,479
redacted

3506
02:23:15,910 --> 02:23:15,040
there was thousands of them

3507
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:15,920
you know

3508
02:23:18,550 --> 02:23:17,040
i got

3509
02:23:22,309 --> 02:23:18,560
and seventy

3510
02:23:24,389 --> 02:23:22,319
something that were directly relevant

3511
02:23:27,190 --> 02:23:24,399
none of it rejected

3512
02:23:28,309 --> 02:23:27,200
and they were all just sitting out there

3513
02:23:30,550 --> 02:23:28,319
you know

3514
02:23:32,790 --> 02:23:30,560
but when you asked the government to

3515
02:23:35,349 --> 02:23:32,800
show you that they're like

3516
02:23:37,670 --> 02:23:35,359
either we don't have it or

3517
02:23:39,110 --> 02:23:37,680
no that can't be revealed

3518
02:23:41,590 --> 02:23:39,120
and in this case

3519
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:41,600
that's why i liked that crash

3520
02:23:45,670 --> 02:23:44,640
investigation case so much

3521
02:23:47,110 --> 02:23:45,680
because

3522
02:23:49,670 --> 02:23:47,120
it was shown

3523
02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:49,680
that the government obviously had all of

3524
02:23:54,550 --> 02:23:52,960
those documents and i got four requests

3525
02:23:57,510 --> 02:23:54,560
i've already published them

3526
02:23:58,950 --> 02:23:57,520
you already linked we can talk about it

3527
02:24:00,870 --> 02:23:58,960
they said no

3528
02:24:03,190 --> 02:24:00,880
we don't have any of that or we can't

3529
02:24:05,830 --> 02:24:03,200
talk about that

3530
02:24:08,309 --> 02:24:05,840
but the guy who did the work

3531
02:24:10,630 --> 02:24:08,319
his family had donated all of his

3532
02:24:13,510 --> 02:24:10,640
documents to a university they were all

3533
02:24:15,830 --> 02:24:13,520
out there not redacted you know they

3534
02:24:18,150 --> 02:24:15,840
were right there you could see them you

3535
02:24:20,469 --> 02:24:18,160
could read them you know

3536
02:24:22,550 --> 02:24:20,479
but the government is still going oh no

3537
02:24:24,630 --> 02:24:22,560
we don't know anything about that

3538
02:24:26,950 --> 02:24:24,640
who's lying

3539
02:24:29,190 --> 02:24:26,960
yeah and i bet you i bet you dime to a

3540
02:24:30,790 --> 02:24:29,200
dollar those obama documents are not

3541
02:24:33,429 --> 02:24:30,800
redacted

3542
02:24:37,110 --> 02:24:33,439
probably not probably not

3543
02:24:40,630 --> 02:24:37,120
and uh i wanted to ask you this uh

3544
02:24:43,670 --> 02:24:40,640
before we wrap up tonight when we have

3545
02:24:45,830 --> 02:24:43,680
what we have going on at the same time

3546
02:24:48,070 --> 02:24:45,840
and and you're aware of all of this of

3547
02:24:50,389 --> 02:24:48,080
course we have avilo but the galileo

3548
02:24:51,830 --> 02:24:50,399
project he's pushing buttons he's doing

3549
02:24:55,190 --> 02:24:51,840
his thing

3550
02:24:56,469 --> 02:24:55,200
uh we have uh the james webb telescope

3551
02:25:00,870 --> 02:24:56,479
out there now

3552
02:25:03,270 --> 02:25:00,880
uh that is is seriously uh looking for

3553
02:25:04,309 --> 02:25:03,280
atmospheres and and life on on other

3554
02:25:06,309 --> 02:25:04,319
worlds

3555
02:25:08,469 --> 02:25:06,319
we have science we have physics

3556
02:25:11,190 --> 02:25:08,479
uh we have our community and then of

3557
02:25:14,070 --> 02:25:11,200
course we have capitol hill

3558
02:25:15,830 --> 02:25:14,080
and we've also got pilot testimony and

3559
02:25:17,670 --> 02:25:15,840
the department of defense all of this is

3560
02:25:19,670 --> 02:25:17,680
happening at the same time

3561
02:25:22,309 --> 02:25:19,680
is this a coincidence

3562
02:25:25,510 --> 02:25:22,319
or is there a reason

3563
02:25:28,630 --> 02:25:25,520
for all of this to be going on at the

3564
02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:28,640
exact same time are we really moving

3565
02:25:39,190 --> 02:25:37,030
oh man that's the big question isn't it

3566
02:25:41,830 --> 02:25:39,200
jimmy i don't know

3567
02:25:45,110 --> 02:25:41,840
i i i think

3568
02:25:47,510 --> 02:25:45,120
there's a big disconnect between

3569
02:25:49,349 --> 02:25:47,520
what the public wants

3570
02:25:53,190 --> 02:25:49,359
what they're demanding

3571
02:25:54,389 --> 02:25:53,200
and what the government's willing to do

3572
02:25:57,910 --> 02:25:54,399
um

3573
02:25:58,870 --> 02:25:57,920
i i think we are at a moment

3574
02:26:01,990 --> 02:25:58,880
where

3575
02:26:05,030 --> 02:26:02,000
these questions are finally

3576
02:26:07,510 --> 02:26:05,040
being asked of people who

3577
02:26:08,550 --> 02:26:07,520
possibly

3578
02:26:11,270 --> 02:26:08,560
keyword

3579
02:26:13,110 --> 02:26:11,280
possibly

3580
02:26:14,630 --> 02:26:13,120
might have to come up and answer the

3581
02:26:19,349 --> 02:26:14,640
questions

3582
02:26:20,710 --> 02:26:19,359
but we're still facing an entrenched

3583
02:26:25,030 --> 02:26:20,720
infrastructure

3584
02:26:28,070 --> 02:26:25,040
that doesn't want to talk about it

3585
02:26:30,870 --> 02:26:29,030
are we

3586
02:26:32,469 --> 02:26:30,880
closer

3587
02:26:34,950 --> 02:26:32,479
to getting answers

3588
02:26:37,830 --> 02:26:34,960
yeah i would say yes we're closer than

3589
02:26:41,990 --> 02:26:37,840
we've been in my lifetime and i'm pretty

3590
02:26:44,309 --> 02:26:42,000
old you know we're definitely closer

3591
02:26:46,950 --> 02:26:44,319
are we close

3592
02:26:50,070 --> 02:26:46,960
are we at a point where we have the

3593
02:26:52,230 --> 02:26:50,080
leverage when i say we the public right

3594
02:26:54,309 --> 02:26:52,240
has the leverage

3595
02:26:56,630 --> 02:26:54,319
to say oh now you have to give us the

3596
02:26:59,429 --> 02:26:56,640
information

3597
02:27:03,429 --> 02:26:59,439
i have very little confidence in that

3598
02:27:05,190 --> 02:27:03,439
i i don't think we're anywhere near

3599
02:27:06,309 --> 02:27:05,200
being to the point where the public is

3600
02:27:08,790 --> 02:27:06,319
able to say

3601
02:27:11,190 --> 02:27:08,800
hey you should tell us what's going on

3602
02:27:12,070 --> 02:27:11,200
this is important you know

3603
02:27:14,790 --> 02:27:12,080
and

3604
02:27:17,270 --> 02:27:14,800
the government still has a lot of out

3605
02:27:19,429 --> 02:27:17,280
where they can just say

3606
02:27:21,030 --> 02:27:19,439
sorry you know we've been looking into

3607
02:27:23,110 --> 02:27:21,040
this but

3608
02:27:25,590 --> 02:27:23,120
you know it's national security it's

3609
02:27:27,670 --> 02:27:25,600
important you know things like that

3610
02:27:31,110 --> 02:27:27,680
um

3611
02:27:32,230 --> 02:27:31,120
and again that's an opinion that's not

3612
02:27:34,870 --> 02:27:32,240
a fact

3613
02:27:36,870 --> 02:27:34,880
in my opinion is that

3614
02:27:39,830 --> 02:27:36,880
we're not that much closer

3615
02:27:42,469 --> 02:27:39,840
they still have a lot of room to hide

3616
02:27:44,309 --> 02:27:42,479
and i think there's a great incentive

3617
02:27:45,429 --> 02:27:44,319
for the government to hide a lot of this

3618
02:27:46,870 --> 02:27:45,439
information

3619
02:27:49,110 --> 02:27:46,880
either because

3620
02:27:51,510 --> 02:27:49,120
well we don't want you to know about it

3621
02:27:53,190 --> 02:27:51,520
most likely but also

3622
02:27:55,670 --> 02:27:53,200
while if we told you what we've been

3623
02:27:57,510 --> 02:27:55,680
hiding we'd be in a lot of trouble

3624
02:27:58,790 --> 02:27:57,520
also pretty likely

3625
02:28:00,630 --> 02:27:58,800
um

3626
02:28:03,349 --> 02:28:00,640
but that's my take

3627
02:28:05,590 --> 02:28:03,359
again not not proven

3628
02:28:08,389 --> 02:28:05,600
the

3629
02:28:09,990 --> 02:28:08,399
it's not a question of if it's a

3630
02:28:12,950 --> 02:28:10,000
question of when

3631
02:28:14,389 --> 02:28:12,960
uh when a tic-tac crashes in a walmart

3632
02:28:17,270 --> 02:28:14,399
parking lot

3633
02:28:19,830 --> 02:28:17,280
right and you've got live streaming

3634
02:28:21,349 --> 02:28:19,840
and you've got video and you've got

3635
02:28:24,230 --> 02:28:21,359
crazy town

3636
02:28:27,990 --> 02:28:24,240
something like that is inevitably going

3637
02:28:29,110 --> 02:28:28,000
to happen uh sooner or later and

3638
02:28:31,590 --> 02:28:29,120
and

3639
02:28:33,030 --> 02:28:31,600
i i just think that the government is is

3640
02:28:34,230 --> 02:28:33,040
is trying to get out in front of things

3641
02:28:35,990 --> 02:28:34,240
right now

3642
02:28:37,990 --> 02:28:36,000
and really quick i just want to say you

3643
02:28:41,510 --> 02:28:38,000
have the coolest cat

3644
02:28:44,150 --> 02:28:41,520
i have ever experienced in my life

3645
02:28:46,469 --> 02:28:44,160
that cat that cat just strolled in

3646
02:28:48,469 --> 02:28:46,479
walked past this a couple hours ago

3647
02:28:51,190 --> 02:28:48,479
strolled past the camera

3648
02:28:53,590 --> 02:28:51,200
stood in front of the camera went back

3649
02:28:55,429 --> 02:28:53,600
curled up on the couch and has not moved

3650
02:28:56,710 --> 02:28:55,439
in uh two hours

3651
02:28:58,710 --> 02:28:56,720
just

3652
02:29:00,550 --> 02:28:58,720
kicking it

3653
02:29:01,510 --> 02:29:00,560
that's merlin

3654
02:29:03,670 --> 02:29:01,520
so

3655
02:29:05,750 --> 02:29:03,680
yeah merlin's great yeah

3656
02:29:07,190 --> 02:29:05,760
marlon's awesome and he just he just

3657
02:29:09,190 --> 02:29:07,200
disturbed him

3658
02:29:12,230 --> 02:29:09,200
why his head's gonna out not his head's

3659
02:29:14,309 --> 02:29:12,240
back okay he's back he's back so he's he

3660
02:29:16,469 --> 02:29:14,319
he was crashing

3661
02:29:19,110 --> 02:29:16,479
um i appreciate that i always like to

3662
02:29:21,110 --> 02:29:19,120
have screen time for merlin

3663
02:29:22,790 --> 02:29:21,120
as far as what you're saying

3664
02:29:25,270 --> 02:29:22,800
jimmy i'm not sure

3665
02:29:29,190 --> 02:29:25,280
i mean i

3666
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i don't think we have pride open the

3667
02:29:33,270 --> 02:29:31,280
bars of secrecy yet

3668
02:29:35,429 --> 02:29:33,280
i do not think that

3669
02:29:37,990 --> 02:29:35,439
i i think there's a lot of people who

3670
02:29:39,349 --> 02:29:38,000
want it there's people in congress who

3671
02:29:41,910 --> 02:29:39,359
want it

3672
02:29:44,550 --> 02:29:41,920
you know we there's a lot of people

3673
02:29:46,389 --> 02:29:44,560
working for this

3674
02:29:49,990 --> 02:29:46,399
i don't think we're there yet

3675
02:29:53,110 --> 02:29:50,000
i i really think that the barriers to

3676
02:29:56,870 --> 02:29:53,120
breaking down secrecy

3677
02:29:58,030 --> 02:29:56,880
wow they are they are huge

3678
02:30:00,950 --> 02:29:58,040
there's

3679
02:30:03,429 --> 02:30:00,960
incredible legal boundaries

3680
02:30:04,710 --> 02:30:03,439
we we don't know man

3681
02:30:08,389 --> 02:30:04,720
we

3682
02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:08,399
i'm sorry i i don't want to be

3683
02:30:12,710 --> 02:30:10,960
disappointed everybody

3684
02:30:15,429 --> 02:30:12,720
i don't think we're close to breaking

3685
02:30:16,389 --> 02:30:15,439
down the barriers yet i really do yeah

3686
02:30:18,550 --> 02:30:16,399
yeah

3687
02:30:20,870 --> 02:30:18,560
you may be right but we can't stop the

3688
02:30:22,710 --> 02:30:20,880
pressure uh what are you working on now

3689
02:30:25,270 --> 02:30:22,720
before we say good night what's your

3690
02:30:28,309 --> 02:30:25,280
what's your next piece

3691
02:30:31,349 --> 02:30:28,319
uh my next piece is

3692
02:30:33,190 --> 02:30:31,359
probably a lot more boring but uh we are

3693
02:30:34,150 --> 02:30:33,200
looking into one more crash that

3694
02:30:36,150 --> 02:30:34,160
happened

3695
02:30:38,710 --> 02:30:36,160
in the 1950s

3696
02:30:40,150 --> 02:30:38,720
uh that may have been involved

3697
02:30:41,990 --> 02:30:40,160
with uap

3698
02:30:43,270 --> 02:30:42,000
now i still have a number of four

3699
02:30:44,710 --> 02:30:43,280
requests out

3700
02:30:47,750 --> 02:30:44,720
on that

3701
02:30:49,030 --> 02:30:47,760
um it happened in new york state as a

3702
02:30:49,910 --> 02:30:49,040
matter of fact

3703
02:30:51,830 --> 02:30:49,920
and

3704
02:30:54,150 --> 02:30:51,840
well we'll see if we find anything out

3705
02:30:56,630 --> 02:30:54,160
so i'll let everybody know be safe and

3706
02:30:58,790 --> 02:30:56,640
be well jazz awesome first time

3707
02:31:00,950 --> 02:30:58,800
conversation with you my friend

3708
02:31:03,110 --> 02:31:00,960
give my best to merlin and and thank

3709
02:31:06,469 --> 02:31:03,120
your wife for getting this uh

3710
02:31:07,910 --> 02:31:06,479
the technical snafu done tonight

3711
02:31:10,309 --> 02:31:07,920
i'll talk to you

3712
02:31:12,230 --> 02:31:10,319
she's a big fan of yours now so she's

3713
02:31:15,510 --> 02:31:12,240
the best thank you so much

3714
02:31:17,510 --> 02:31:15,520
jazz shaw everybody head over to

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thedebrief.org

3716
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everything is right there for jazz i'm

3717
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your host jimmy church

3718
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on the game changer and on x networks

3719
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this is fade to black i'm going to take

3720
02:31:31,620 --> 02:31:26,960
a quick break i'll be right back stay

3721
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love first time guest week here

3826
02:37:15,910 --> 02:37:14,000
on fade to black i want to thank josh

3827
02:37:17,429 --> 02:37:15,920
shaw for coming in tonight

3828
02:37:20,150 --> 02:37:17,439
and uh

3829
02:37:21,910 --> 02:37:20,160
it was just a a great conversation lots

3830
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to unpack too

3831
02:37:26,389 --> 02:37:23,840
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3832
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guest because you know we just uh had a

3833
02:37:31,349 --> 02:37:28,240
two hour conversation

3834
02:37:32,870 --> 02:37:31,359
and and i'm sitting here thinking about

3835
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everything

3836
02:37:35,830 --> 02:37:34,640
that was talked about and

3837
02:37:39,110 --> 02:37:35,840
here

3838
02:37:42,309 --> 02:37:39,120
which

3839
02:37:44,630 --> 02:37:42,319
some of this goes back to uh what i was

3840
02:37:46,950 --> 02:37:44,640
talking about um at

3841
02:37:49,590 --> 02:37:46,960
the beginning of the show with uh

3842
02:37:50,710 --> 02:37:49,600
journalists out there that are willing

3843
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to

3844
02:37:54,070 --> 02:37:51,600
uh

3845
02:37:56,309 --> 02:37:54,080
you know seek the truth

3846
02:37:58,469 --> 02:37:56,319
and and just keep the pressure on and

3847
02:38:02,630 --> 02:37:58,479
and not to let up

3848
02:38:05,349 --> 02:38:02,640
and uh uh which which goes back to

3849
02:38:07,830 --> 02:38:05,359
uh a couple of jazz's comments and

3850
02:38:09,270 --> 02:38:07,840
specifically about susan goff

3851
02:38:12,550 --> 02:38:09,280
and i

3852
02:38:14,389 --> 02:38:12,560
i asked jazz i i opened up the phone

3853
02:38:15,910 --> 02:38:14,399
line so i'll see if i can get to a

3854
02:38:17,590 --> 02:38:15,920
couple of calls seven four seven two two

3855
02:38:19,830 --> 02:38:17,600
eight two zero five one

3856
02:38:22,389 --> 02:38:19,840
um i asked jaz the last time that he had

3857
02:38:24,469 --> 02:38:22,399
correspondence uh with susan goff and he

3858
02:38:25,910 --> 02:38:24,479
said a couple of weeks ago

3859
02:38:28,469 --> 02:38:25,920
and

3860
02:38:31,830 --> 02:38:28,479
one of the reasons why

3861
02:38:34,070 --> 02:38:31,840
um i brought this up is that it seems

3862
02:38:36,469 --> 02:38:34,080
and if you go back and you think about

3863
02:38:39,750 --> 02:38:36,479
what's gone down in the last

3864
02:38:42,230 --> 02:38:39,760
three years four years

3865
02:38:44,870 --> 02:38:42,240
uh almost five we're in 2022 that was

3866
02:38:46,389 --> 02:38:44,880
december 2017

3867
02:38:49,270 --> 02:38:46,399
where

3868
02:38:50,870 --> 02:38:49,280
susan goff

3869
02:38:52,950 --> 02:38:50,880
uh and there were other people speaking

3870
02:38:54,150 --> 02:38:52,960
too but she was the main

3871
02:38:57,349 --> 02:38:54,160
person on this

3872
02:39:00,550 --> 02:38:57,359
was forced into making public statements

3873
02:39:04,550 --> 02:39:00,560
like weekly and in some cases daily

3874
02:39:07,830 --> 02:39:04,560
um and through the efforts of many uh

3875
02:39:10,550 --> 02:39:07,840
uh not only you know jazz shaw but uh

3876
02:39:12,870 --> 02:39:10,560
of course john greenwald

3877
02:39:15,429 --> 02:39:12,880
pushing and others

3878
02:39:16,550 --> 02:39:15,439
pushing this because everybody had

3879
02:39:19,270 --> 02:39:16,560
questions

3880
02:39:21,270 --> 02:39:19,280
and certainly we now

3881
02:39:23,190 --> 02:39:21,280
knew at that time that

3882
02:39:25,110 --> 02:39:23,200
something was going on

3883
02:39:27,670 --> 02:39:25,120
specifically atip and there were the

3884
02:39:30,550 --> 02:39:27,680
questions about lou elizondo and in the

3885
02:39:32,070 --> 02:39:30,560
united states navy and who knew what and

3886
02:39:35,750 --> 02:39:32,080
of course the nimitz and later the

3887
02:39:38,070 --> 02:39:35,760
roosevelt excuse me

3888
02:39:40,630 --> 02:39:38,080
something in my throat

3889
02:39:42,870 --> 02:39:40,640
and this was moving at a very very very

3890
02:39:45,590 --> 02:39:42,880
very fast pace

3891
02:39:48,550 --> 02:39:45,600
let me say

3892
02:39:49,910 --> 02:39:48,560
susan goff hasn't said anything in a

3893
02:39:54,550 --> 02:39:49,920
while

3894
02:39:56,309 --> 02:39:54,560
and uh the last real flood of stuff

3895
02:39:57,670 --> 02:39:56,319
us was

3896
02:40:00,790 --> 02:39:57,680
you know early

3897
02:40:03,030 --> 02:40:00,800
uh last year uh leading up into the

3898
02:40:04,630 --> 02:40:03,040
summer uh senator around louis elizondo

3899
02:40:07,270 --> 02:40:04,640
his emails

3900
02:40:10,550 --> 02:40:07,280
uh investigations that were going on and

3901
02:40:14,630 --> 02:40:10,560
now we had the od and i involved and

3902
02:40:15,670 --> 02:40:14,640
uh man and uh so so anyway

3903
02:40:19,030 --> 02:40:15,680
but

3904
02:40:21,830 --> 02:40:19,040
general silence since then

3905
02:40:25,750 --> 02:40:21,840
and th this is why

3906
02:40:29,510 --> 02:40:25,760
when i uh pointed this straight at jazz

3907
02:40:30,630 --> 02:40:29,520
um why it is so important for

3908
02:40:32,389 --> 02:40:30,640
journalists

3909
02:40:36,630 --> 02:40:32,399
to keep the pressure on

3910
02:40:39,110 --> 02:40:36,640
get complacent we're suddenly

3911
02:40:41,990 --> 02:40:39,120
where before and and trust me on this

3912
02:40:43,750 --> 02:40:42,000
susan goff was not just willy nilly just

3913
02:40:46,389 --> 02:40:43,760
giving out information and just stepping

3914
02:40:50,550 --> 02:40:46,399
up and talking about uaps and videos and

3915
02:40:52,870 --> 02:40:50,560
and think no oh no no that's because the

3916
02:40:53,830 --> 02:40:52,880
pressure was on and she had to respond

3917
02:40:55,269 --> 02:40:53,840
to it

3918
02:40:57,590 --> 02:40:55,279
that's why all of that went down there

3919
02:41:00,070 --> 02:40:57,600
wasn't just this uh

3920
02:41:03,030 --> 02:41:00,080
freedom of information

3921
02:41:07,030 --> 02:41:03,040
coming out of the pentagon and and out

3922
02:41:10,389 --> 02:41:07,040
to the world about ufos and uaps and and

3923
02:41:12,630 --> 02:41:10,399
and e.t no that is that's not the case

3924
02:41:16,070 --> 02:41:12,640
that came from pressure

3925
02:41:17,750 --> 02:41:16,080
and going back to the very fundamental

3926
02:41:18,790 --> 02:41:17,760
which is why i spoke about all of this

3927
02:41:20,630 --> 02:41:18,800
earlier

3928
02:41:22,950 --> 02:41:20,640
the very fundamental principles of this

3929
02:41:25,269 --> 02:41:22,960
country and the establishment

3930
02:41:28,070 --> 02:41:25,279
uh freedom of the press

3931
02:41:29,670 --> 02:41:28,080
the systems and balances and the checks

3932
02:41:32,389 --> 02:41:29,680
that go back with the freedom of the

3933
02:41:33,830 --> 02:41:32,399
press that go right back on our elected

3934
02:41:37,269 --> 02:41:33,840
officials

3935
02:41:41,110 --> 02:41:37,279
and to make sure that is a monitoring

3936
02:41:43,510 --> 02:41:41,120
process that was put into place to make

3937
02:41:46,150 --> 02:41:43,520
sure that the citizens of this country

3938
02:41:48,630 --> 02:41:46,160
stayed in form and there were no secrets

3939
02:41:51,990 --> 02:41:48,640
that were going on now obviously things

3940
02:41:53,429 --> 02:41:52,000
have changed but that is what was

3941
02:41:56,469 --> 02:41:53,439
installed

3942
02:41:59,110 --> 02:41:56,479
and so that gives journalists the

3943
02:42:00,469 --> 02:41:59,120
ability to go and ask questions at a

3944
02:42:03,990 --> 02:42:00,479
press conference

3945
02:42:06,150 --> 02:42:04,000
uh to publish articles to ask questions

3946
02:42:07,670 --> 02:42:06,160
and to investigate and and see what is

3947
02:42:09,830 --> 02:42:07,680
actually going on

3948
02:42:11,910 --> 02:42:09,840
that's that's the job of the press one

3949
02:42:14,870 --> 02:42:11,920
of the jobs of the press and the

3950
02:42:15,830 --> 02:42:14,880
freedoms that were given to them to do

3951
02:42:19,429 --> 02:42:15,840
this

3952
02:42:22,550 --> 02:42:19,439
for jazz shaw to inquire for john

3953
02:42:24,950 --> 02:42:22,560
greenwald to inquire and others

3954
02:42:26,550 --> 02:42:24,960
and others you know and that includes

3955
02:42:28,070 --> 02:42:26,560
you know ralph blumenthal or the new

3956
02:42:30,950 --> 02:42:28,080
york times or

3957
02:42:33,670 --> 02:42:30,960
or cnn or or fox

3958
02:42:35,429 --> 02:42:33,680
or this program

3959
02:42:37,910 --> 02:42:35,439
to be able to do that

3960
02:42:41,750 --> 02:42:37,920
right and and to keep the pressure on

3961
02:42:44,550 --> 02:42:41,760
why has that stopped and i have

3962
02:42:48,710 --> 02:42:44,560
asked jazz directly

3963
02:42:52,710 --> 02:42:48,720
is this clamped down now

3964
02:42:55,269 --> 02:42:52,720
is the is the joyride over

3965
02:42:58,950 --> 02:42:55,279
right because it was coming out it was

3966
02:43:01,910 --> 02:42:58,960
coming out fast it's coming out hard

3967
02:43:04,950 --> 02:43:01,920
it was crazy things

3968
02:43:07,190 --> 02:43:04,960
uh i mean just one day after another i

3969
02:43:09,190 --> 02:43:07,200
can't tell you how many shows here on

3970
02:43:11,349 --> 02:43:09,200
fade to black and certainly over at

3971
02:43:13,830 --> 02:43:11,359
coast to coast during that period where

3972
02:43:15,429 --> 02:43:13,840
i was just

3973
02:43:17,830 --> 02:43:15,439
more breaking news

3974
02:43:19,590 --> 02:43:17,840
susan goff said today this just happened

3975
02:43:23,910 --> 02:43:19,600
this is going on

3976
02:43:28,550 --> 02:43:25,429
jazz says

3977
02:43:31,429 --> 02:43:28,560
it's too difficult

3978
02:43:32,550 --> 02:43:31,439
they they don't want this to happen

3979
02:43:35,110 --> 02:43:32,560
they don't

3980
02:43:38,790 --> 02:43:35,120
they really don't it you know why it

3981
02:43:40,790 --> 02:43:38,800
happened it happened because of paco's

3982
02:43:43,910 --> 02:43:40,800
website

3983
02:43:44,790 --> 02:43:43,920
and dave fravor's article

3984
02:43:47,349 --> 02:43:44,800
uh

3985
02:43:51,269 --> 02:43:47,359
and and and talking about the nimitz

3986
02:43:53,910 --> 02:43:51,279
incident and that in turn right that in

3987
02:43:56,309 --> 02:43:53,920
turn got picked up by ttsa

3988
02:43:58,150 --> 02:43:56,319
ttsa gets launched

3989
02:43:59,510 --> 02:43:58,160
um and

3990
02:44:02,389 --> 02:43:59,520
dave fravor

3991
02:44:04,710 --> 02:44:02,399
uh and everybody else all of that came

3992
02:44:05,750 --> 02:44:04,720
unraveled the thread was there it got

3993
02:44:09,510 --> 02:44:05,760
pulled

3994
02:44:11,510 --> 02:44:09,520
it all came out it all the genesis of

3995
02:44:12,790 --> 02:44:11,520
everything uh would probably go back to

3996
02:44:16,309 --> 02:44:12,800
paco

3997
02:44:18,630 --> 02:44:16,319
um uh but but anyway i digress let me

3998
02:44:21,750 --> 02:44:18,640
stay focused so

3999
02:44:25,830 --> 02:44:21,760
with everything that came out

4000
02:44:28,150 --> 02:44:25,840
about an incident that happened in 2004

4001
02:44:31,830 --> 02:44:28,160
if paco didn't happen

4002
02:44:34,150 --> 02:44:31,840
if fravor wasn't

4003
02:44:36,870 --> 02:44:34,160
would we have ever known about the tic

4004
02:44:42,150 --> 02:44:38,790
would we have known

4005
02:44:45,269 --> 02:44:42,160
and that goes with every pilot

4006
02:44:47,269 --> 02:44:45,279
every radar operator everybody on all of

4007
02:44:49,750 --> 02:44:47,279
the ships and on the princeton on the

4008
02:44:51,030 --> 02:44:49,760
nimitz and the roosevelt

4009
02:44:53,110 --> 02:44:51,040
underwood

4010
02:44:55,190 --> 02:44:53,120
you know all of this would we have known

4011
02:44:58,150 --> 02:44:55,200
about any of it the pentagon wouldn't

4012
02:45:00,469 --> 02:44:58,160
have told us they didn't tell us

4013
02:45:03,030 --> 02:45:00,479
since 2004.

4014
02:45:04,790 --> 02:45:03,040
and they sat on that

4015
02:45:06,150 --> 02:45:04,800
now are we

4016
02:45:09,269 --> 02:45:06,160
now

4017
02:45:10,469 --> 02:45:09,279
past the glory days

4018
02:45:14,469 --> 02:45:10,479
and

4019
02:45:16,550 --> 02:45:14,479
mean this

4020
02:45:17,830 --> 02:45:16,560
we need

4021
02:45:20,790 --> 02:45:17,840
journalists

4022
02:45:22,309 --> 02:45:20,800
we need effective pressure

4023
02:45:26,630 --> 02:45:22,319
applied

4024
02:45:29,510 --> 02:45:26,640
to the pentagon and to capitol hill it

4025
02:45:31,590 --> 02:45:29,520
it's got us it's got to stay consistent

4026
02:45:33,349 --> 02:45:31,600
we cannot

4027
02:45:35,750 --> 02:45:33,359
get complacent

4028
02:45:36,870 --> 02:45:35,760
not only as a ufo community but as a

4029
02:45:39,590 --> 02:45:36,880
planet

4030
02:45:43,750 --> 02:45:39,600
we can't get complacent on this issue

4031
02:45:44,950 --> 02:45:43,760
and uh especially i am surprised um i

4032
02:45:47,349 --> 02:45:44,960
was going to talk more about this

4033
02:45:49,510 --> 02:45:47,359
tomorrow i'll talk about it now

4034
02:45:51,910 --> 02:45:49,520
i was surprised

4035
02:45:54,309 --> 02:45:51,920
to see this last

4036
02:45:55,590 --> 02:45:54,319
for four or five years

4037
02:45:57,269 --> 02:45:55,600
if you think about everything else in

4038
02:45:59,190 --> 02:45:57,279
the news cycle that has gone through in

4039
02:46:02,309 --> 02:45:59,200
the last four or five years these huge

4040
02:46:04,070 --> 02:46:02,319
things i mean big things have gone down

4041
02:46:07,910 --> 02:46:04,080
in the last four years

4042
02:46:10,550 --> 02:46:07,920
even bigger things in the last two years

4043
02:46:13,030 --> 02:46:10,560
but we worked past all of them

4044
02:46:14,469 --> 02:46:13,040
and they have disappeared in the news

4045
02:46:16,550 --> 02:46:14,479
cycle

4046
02:46:17,830 --> 02:46:16,560
there's hundreds if not thousands of

4047
02:46:20,389 --> 02:46:17,840
examples

4048
02:46:22,309 --> 02:46:20,399
of of things that have done that

4049
02:46:24,870 --> 02:46:22,319
the uap issue

4050
02:46:28,550 --> 02:46:24,880
has stayed there

4051
02:46:30,870 --> 02:46:28,560
for four going on five years

4052
02:46:33,590 --> 02:46:30,880
so much so that

4053
02:46:34,550 --> 02:46:33,600
again going back to gillibrand

4054
02:46:38,790 --> 02:46:34,560
and

4055
02:46:41,269 --> 02:46:38,800
happening

4056
02:46:44,070 --> 02:46:41,279
with this new task force

4057
02:46:45,670 --> 02:46:44,080
and we keep mentioning rubio but that is

4058
02:46:47,910 --> 02:46:45,680
important and the senate intelligence

4059
02:46:51,349 --> 02:46:47,920
committee that this issue

4060
02:46:53,590 --> 02:46:51,359
is still there and it is still public

4061
02:46:54,710 --> 02:46:53,600
that's because we've kept the pressure

4062
02:46:56,790 --> 02:46:54,720
on

4063
02:47:00,070 --> 02:46:56,800
we can't get complacent

4064
02:47:02,150 --> 02:47:00,080
this is not the time for us to

4065
02:47:04,950 --> 02:47:02,160
sit on our hands and go okay

4066
02:47:07,110 --> 02:47:04,960
things have moved far along

4067
02:47:09,750 --> 02:47:07,120
so far along that we can it's gonna work

4068
02:47:11,910 --> 02:47:09,760
itself out we could just we can just go

4069
02:47:13,830 --> 02:47:11,920
on cruise control we can go on autopilot

4070
02:47:16,389 --> 02:47:13,840
no that is not the case

4071
02:47:18,150 --> 02:47:16,399
this is the point

4072
02:47:21,030 --> 02:47:18,160
i've said this for the last year this is

4073
02:47:22,230 --> 02:47:21,040
the point where you keep your your your

4074
02:47:23,510 --> 02:47:22,240
foot

4075
02:47:26,150 --> 02:47:23,520
right there

4076
02:47:27,830 --> 02:47:26,160
you just you just keep the pressure on

4077
02:47:31,349 --> 02:47:27,840
you have to

4078
02:47:33,349 --> 02:47:31,359
this is the point where we do that now

4079
02:47:35,590 --> 02:47:33,359
why

4080
02:47:37,510 --> 02:47:35,600
okay first off they're not going to give

4081
02:47:39,590 --> 02:47:37,520
it up

4082
02:47:41,990 --> 02:47:39,600
it is our job

4083
02:47:44,630 --> 02:47:42,000
to extract

4084
02:47:46,070 --> 02:47:44,640
the information that's our job they're

4085
02:47:47,910 --> 02:47:46,080
not going to give it up

4086
02:47:49,349 --> 02:47:47,920
that's not going to happen they haven't

4087
02:47:51,190 --> 02:47:49,359
done it before

4088
02:47:53,670 --> 02:47:51,200
everything that has happened so far is

4089
02:47:55,990 --> 02:47:53,680
because of pressure

4090
02:47:57,830 --> 02:47:56,000
that's it

4091
02:48:00,550 --> 02:47:57,840
that's number one

4092
02:48:02,230 --> 02:48:00,560
number two

4093
02:48:04,150 --> 02:48:02,240
probably more important than anything

4094
02:48:05,030 --> 02:48:04,160
else but there's a third point number

4095
02:48:08,230 --> 02:48:05,040
two

4096
02:48:10,309 --> 02:48:08,240
is that all of the

4097
02:48:12,950 --> 02:48:10,319
witnesses

4098
02:48:15,510 --> 02:48:12,960
the people that have seen things

4099
02:48:17,429 --> 02:48:15,520
that uh have spoken about it or not

4100
02:48:19,190 --> 02:48:17,439
spoken about it

4101
02:48:22,309 --> 02:48:19,200
the millions of people around the world

4102
02:48:25,190 --> 02:48:22,319
that have seen things

4103
02:48:26,790 --> 02:48:25,200
we have to do this for them

4104
02:48:28,469 --> 02:48:26,800
those that have had abduction

4105
02:48:30,630 --> 02:48:28,479
experiences

4106
02:48:32,230 --> 02:48:30,640
you know real close encounters of the

4107
02:48:35,190 --> 02:48:32,240
third kind

4108
02:48:37,269 --> 02:48:35,200
those we have to do this for them

4109
02:48:39,269 --> 02:48:37,279
can't take take the pressure off right

4110
02:48:42,150 --> 02:48:39,279
now and go complacent

4111
02:48:45,110 --> 02:48:42,160
and and get frustrated that's what the

4112
02:48:47,110 --> 02:48:45,120
government would love for us to do and

4113
02:48:48,710 --> 02:48:47,120
they can just go right back making their

4114
02:48:49,590 --> 02:48:48,720
secret plans and doing their secret

4115
02:48:51,190 --> 02:48:49,600
stuff

4116
02:48:53,349 --> 02:48:51,200
and and we don't know anything about it

4117
02:48:56,150 --> 02:48:53,359
just as long as we're paying our taxes

4118
02:48:59,590 --> 02:48:56,160
you know going to work and buying stuff

4119
02:49:02,230 --> 02:48:59,600
and and watching cat videos on youtube

4120
02:49:04,710 --> 02:49:02,240
uh they're they're fine

4121
02:49:07,269 --> 02:49:04,720
that's that's where they want we cannot

4122
02:49:10,389 --> 02:49:07,279
do that not now

4123
02:49:13,429 --> 02:49:10,399
we need guys like jazz shaw

4124
02:49:15,190 --> 02:49:13,439
you know and and and here's here's the

4125
02:49:17,429 --> 02:49:15,200
other piece of this

4126
02:49:20,150 --> 02:49:17,439
a guy like john greenwald

4127
02:49:22,710 --> 02:49:20,160
he's not the government's friend

4128
02:49:25,750 --> 02:49:22,720
he's he's this community's friend

4129
02:49:29,670 --> 02:49:25,760
richard dolan linda molten howe

4130
02:49:31,190 --> 02:49:29,680
daniel sheehan lou elizondo chris mellon

4131
02:49:33,269 --> 02:49:31,200
you know

4132
02:49:36,389 --> 02:49:33,279
the list is long

4133
02:49:37,990 --> 02:49:36,399
it's real long billy carson great

4134
02:49:41,990 --> 02:49:38,000
example

4135
02:49:43,030 --> 02:49:42,000
you know um to constantly

4136
02:49:45,349 --> 02:49:43,040
speak

4137
02:49:48,389 --> 02:49:45,359
to constantly be out there giorgio

4138
02:49:51,190 --> 02:49:48,399
sucolos ancient aliens these things

4139
02:49:52,790 --> 02:49:51,200
keep the conversation going we cannot

4140
02:49:54,550 --> 02:49:52,800
get complacent

4141
02:49:57,910 --> 02:49:54,560
we cannot do it

4142
02:49:58,790 --> 02:49:57,920
and and it kind of freaks me out

4143
02:50:01,269 --> 02:49:58,800
where

4144
02:50:02,309 --> 02:50:01,279
uh right now

4145
02:50:04,389 --> 02:50:02,319
um

4146
02:50:06,469 --> 02:50:04,399
the suggestion

4147
02:50:10,630 --> 02:50:06,479
that the way to move forward with the

4148
02:50:13,269 --> 02:50:10,640
uap issue is to classify all of the data

4149
02:50:14,389 --> 02:50:13,279
and keep that from the public just like

4150
02:50:17,030 --> 02:50:14,399
jason

4151
02:50:19,910 --> 02:50:17,040
what is the reason for that it doesn't

4152
02:50:21,910 --> 02:50:19,920
make any sense not for us it doesn't

4153
02:50:24,230 --> 02:50:21,920
make any sense at all for the government

4154
02:50:25,990 --> 02:50:24,240
it makes perfect sense

4155
02:50:28,469 --> 02:50:26,000
let's just rubber stamp this it's

4156
02:50:30,230 --> 02:50:28,479
classified that's it

4157
02:50:31,510 --> 02:50:30,240
and that should scare the crap out of

4158
02:50:34,230 --> 02:50:31,520
everybody

4159
02:50:36,870 --> 02:50:34,240
and i honestly feel that's the exact

4160
02:50:37,910 --> 02:50:36,880
opposite of what gillibrand out of new

4161
02:50:40,950 --> 02:50:37,920
york

4162
02:50:43,110 --> 02:50:40,960
intended with this legislation which is

4163
02:50:44,870 --> 02:50:43,120
to do the opposite to make this public

4164
02:50:48,230 --> 02:50:44,880
to look at the health issues of people

4165
02:50:51,269 --> 02:50:48,240
that have made contact with uaps uh

4166
02:50:52,870 --> 02:50:51,279
any crashed uh retrievals out there and

4167
02:50:55,750 --> 02:50:52,880
the technology that is involved that

4168
02:50:58,070 --> 02:50:55,760
goes public and that gets reported on

4169
02:50:59,990 --> 02:50:58,080
right that this data is shared any

4170
02:51:02,389 --> 02:51:00,000
pilots that have a sighting these

4171
02:51:04,550 --> 02:51:02,399
reports go they get

4172
02:51:07,990 --> 02:51:04,560
investigated they get looked into

4173
02:51:09,990 --> 02:51:08,000
immediately and that nothing is hidden

4174
02:51:12,469 --> 02:51:10,000
right all of these things are in the

4175
02:51:14,150 --> 02:51:12,479
legislation and to turn around and

4176
02:51:15,190 --> 02:51:14,160
suggest to

4177
02:51:19,030 --> 02:51:15,200
to

4178
02:51:23,910 --> 02:51:19,040
empower the classification process

4179
02:51:25,030 --> 02:51:23,920
and on all uap data moving forward

4180
02:51:30,389 --> 02:51:25,040
no

4181
02:51:32,550 --> 02:51:30,399
honestly going to stand for that

4182
02:51:35,190 --> 02:51:32,560
you know and and and here's the other

4183
02:51:37,590 --> 02:51:35,200
part if it wasn't for

4184
02:51:39,990 --> 02:51:37,600
uh chris mellon

4185
02:51:41,990 --> 02:51:40,000
and uh going public and writing about

4186
02:51:44,070 --> 02:51:42,000
this would we

4187
02:51:45,429 --> 02:51:44,080
would we have known

4188
02:51:47,030 --> 02:51:45,439
no i don't think that they would

4189
02:51:48,630 --> 02:51:47,040
volunteer that information for us you

4190
02:51:51,190 --> 02:51:48,640
know how you find out about that you put

4191
02:51:53,910 --> 02:51:51,200
in a foia request yes for information

4192
02:51:55,990 --> 02:51:53,920
and they said no you can't have it

4193
02:51:57,670 --> 02:51:56,000
that's how you find out you find out in

4194
02:51:59,590 --> 02:51:57,680
the back end

4195
02:52:02,710 --> 02:51:59,600
and that's why we need to keep the

4196
02:52:05,670 --> 02:52:02,720
pressure on by chris mellon

4197
02:52:07,429 --> 02:52:05,680
saying what he said

4198
02:52:09,510 --> 02:52:07,439
very publicly

4199
02:52:13,750 --> 02:52:09,520
that's your checks and balance which

4200
02:52:17,269 --> 02:52:13,760
goes back to the freedom of the press

4201
02:52:19,990 --> 02:52:17,279
the ability of chris being able to go

4202
02:52:22,309 --> 02:52:20,000
and write this

4203
02:52:25,510 --> 02:52:22,319
right and and putting that out in public

4204
02:52:27,349 --> 02:52:25,520
through uh through the press

4205
02:52:29,190 --> 02:52:27,359
keeps everybody in check and that

4206
02:52:31,830 --> 02:52:29,200
includes the government and that also

4207
02:52:33,830 --> 02:52:31,840
informs the public we need this process

4208
02:52:34,710 --> 02:52:33,840
to stay in place

4209
02:52:35,990 --> 02:52:34,720
so

4210
02:52:47,670 --> 02:52:36,000
is

4211
02:52:49,190 --> 02:52:47,680
air force going awol on

4212
02:52:50,950 --> 02:52:49,200
on the uap

4213
02:52:52,309 --> 02:52:50,960
right saying i know we're not

4214
02:52:53,269 --> 02:52:52,319
we're no we're not going to be a part of

4215
02:52:58,150 --> 02:52:53,279
this

4216
02:52:59,190 --> 02:52:58,160
we haven't and we're not going to moving

4217
02:53:01,269 --> 02:52:59,200
forward

4218
02:53:05,429 --> 02:53:01,279
chris mellon stating this puts them in

4219
02:53:07,349 --> 02:53:05,439
check and lets everybody else

4220
02:53:10,469 --> 02:53:07,359
be focused and aware on the problems

4221
02:53:12,230 --> 02:53:10,479
that everybody is having

4222
02:53:14,150 --> 02:53:12,240
right and that's that's where we are

4223
02:53:16,950 --> 02:53:14,160
with the freedom of the press and the

4224
02:53:20,870 --> 02:53:16,960
frustrations of somebody like jas shaw

4225
02:53:24,389 --> 02:53:20,880
and and john greenwald now um

4226
02:53:26,550 --> 02:53:24,399
uh i mentioned the obama

4227
02:53:27,990 --> 02:53:26,560
document and i think the number is 3800

4228
02:53:29,990 --> 02:53:28,000
i could have it wrong

4229
02:53:31,830 --> 02:53:30,000
uh john you should post something up in

4230
02:53:33,190 --> 02:53:31,840
twitter or send me a text

4231
02:53:35,670 --> 02:53:33,200
is uh

4232
02:53:38,150 --> 02:53:35,680
you know 3 800 documents in the barack

4233
02:53:39,269 --> 02:53:38,160
obama library that referenced atip in

4234
02:53:42,950 --> 02:53:39,279
uap

4235
02:53:47,510 --> 02:53:45,030
that is now

4236
02:53:49,110 --> 02:53:47,520
viral in the news cycle this has been

4237
02:53:51,590 --> 02:53:49,120
picked up

4238
02:53:54,070 --> 02:53:51,600
around the world

4239
02:53:57,429 --> 02:53:54,080
by major news organizations right now

4240
02:54:00,389 --> 02:53:57,439
it's a pretty shocking bit of news

4241
02:54:01,349 --> 02:54:00,399
right so now and here's

4242
02:54:03,190 --> 02:54:01,359
here's

4243
02:54:05,110 --> 02:54:03,200
one of the main points that i got from

4244
02:54:08,070 --> 02:54:05,120
john on this and i've said this about

4245
02:54:10,950 --> 02:54:08,080
john so many times over the years is

4246
02:54:15,510 --> 02:54:13,030
you don't want

4247
02:54:17,670 --> 02:54:15,520
john greenwald

4248
02:54:22,150 --> 02:54:17,680
on your trail

4249
02:54:23,349 --> 02:54:22,160
because he is going to get what he wants

4250
02:54:25,510 --> 02:54:23,359
so

4251
02:54:27,830 --> 02:54:25,520
where's the mistake made well the

4252
02:54:31,990 --> 02:54:27,840
mistake is made when you

4253
02:54:33,269 --> 02:54:32,000
well we've got 3 800 documents here

4254
02:54:35,670 --> 02:54:33,279
what

4255
02:54:37,190 --> 02:54:35,680
that's all john needs to know they've

4256
02:54:38,870 --> 02:54:37,200
just said

4257
02:54:42,710 --> 02:54:38,880
the documents

4258
02:54:46,389 --> 02:54:44,469
that's all john needs to know he's not

4259
02:54:48,469 --> 02:54:46,399
going to wait 16 years

4260
02:54:49,670 --> 02:54:48,479
he's not he's going to get at those

4261
02:54:51,830 --> 02:54:49,680
documents

4262
02:54:53,990 --> 02:54:51,840
the one person the right person at the

4263
02:54:55,429 --> 02:54:54,000
right time is john greenwald

4264
02:54:58,230 --> 02:54:55,439
and you've just told him that you're

4265
02:54:59,269 --> 02:54:58,240
sitting on 3 800 documents that detail

4266
02:55:02,230 --> 02:54:59,279
from

4267
02:55:05,030 --> 02:55:02,240
the barack obama administration and

4268
02:55:06,389 --> 02:55:05,040
they're in the barack obama library 3800

4269
02:55:09,110 --> 02:55:06,399
documents

4270
02:55:10,389 --> 02:55:09,120
referencing atip and uap that's all that

4271
02:55:13,190 --> 02:55:10,399
needs to happen

4272
02:55:17,670 --> 02:55:13,200
that's those are all the tools that a

4273
02:55:20,309 --> 02:55:17,680
guy like john greenwald needs because we

4274
02:55:22,710 --> 02:55:20,319
have those freedoms

4275
02:55:24,870 --> 02:55:22,720
and if they're in the library they're

4276
02:55:26,550 --> 02:55:24,880
going to go public

4277
02:55:27,990 --> 02:55:26,560
that's why they're there and that's why

4278
02:55:31,110 --> 02:55:28,000
they're preserved

4279
02:55:31,990 --> 02:55:31,120
and there isn't any reason uh going back

4280
02:55:34,389 --> 02:55:32,000
to

4281
02:55:37,590 --> 02:55:34,399
unpacking something else that uh chas

4282
02:55:40,790 --> 02:55:37,600
shaw said tonight uh before i let you go

4283
02:55:43,269 --> 02:55:40,800
there isn't any reason

4284
02:55:46,150 --> 02:55:43,279
any reason especially in a modern

4285
02:55:48,469 --> 02:55:46,160
context like with atip and uap there

4286
02:55:51,349 --> 02:55:48,479
isn't a modern reason

4287
02:55:53,269 --> 02:55:51,359
to keep any of this classified if it's

4288
02:55:57,590 --> 02:55:53,279
off planet

4289
02:55:59,990 --> 02:55:57,600
keep that classified

4290
02:56:01,670 --> 02:56:00,000
if it's russia if it's the israelis if

4291
02:56:04,070 --> 02:56:01,680
it's china

4292
02:56:06,070 --> 02:56:04,080
right if it's the united kingdom with

4293
02:56:08,469 --> 02:56:06,080
this technology is there a reason to

4294
02:56:11,269 --> 02:56:08,479
keep it classified maybe

4295
02:56:12,630 --> 02:56:11,279
maybe but if it's off planet if we are

4296
02:56:17,110 --> 02:56:12,640
talking about

4297
02:56:19,750 --> 02:56:17,120
et off planet there is no reason to keep

4298
02:56:21,830 --> 02:56:19,760
any of this classified there isn't

4299
02:56:25,269 --> 02:56:21,840
there isn't a reason

4300
02:56:28,469 --> 02:56:25,279
and if we take uh take it a step further

4301
02:56:31,750 --> 02:56:28,479
please quote me on this if there is a

4302
02:56:34,870 --> 02:56:31,760
threat that they know about from e.t

4303
02:56:36,630 --> 02:56:34,880
then that is even more of a reason to

4304
02:56:39,349 --> 02:56:36,640
make this public

4305
02:56:41,590 --> 02:56:39,359
keep that secret

4306
02:56:44,389 --> 02:56:41,600
you just don't do it you don't there

4307
02:56:45,110 --> 02:56:44,399
isn't a reason to keep this classified

4308
02:56:46,389 --> 02:56:45,120
so

4309
02:56:48,230 --> 02:56:46,399
going back

4310
02:56:51,190 --> 02:56:48,240
to the freedom of the press and keeping

4311
02:56:52,870 --> 02:56:51,200
the pressure on washington dc

4312
02:56:56,309 --> 02:56:52,880
the report

4313
02:56:58,550 --> 02:56:56,319
the the new uap task force

4314
02:57:01,830 --> 02:56:58,560
uh the information that is going through

4315
02:57:03,429 --> 02:57:01,840
nasik at wright patterson there if if

4316
02:57:06,710 --> 02:57:03,439
it's off planet

4317
02:57:08,309 --> 02:57:06,720
if there's a question of its origin

4318
02:57:10,230 --> 02:57:08,319
there's no reason to keep it secret

4319
02:57:12,790 --> 02:57:10,240
there's no reason to keep it classified

4320
02:57:15,269 --> 02:57:12,800
there just isn't the only thing in the

4321
02:57:16,230 --> 02:57:15,279
classified version of that report

4322
02:57:18,710 --> 02:57:16,240
um

4323
02:57:20,630 --> 02:57:18,720
that needs to be kept secret is if if

4324
02:57:22,469 --> 02:57:20,640
it's a foreign adversary and we are

4325
02:57:24,389 --> 02:57:22,479
aware of their technology then we don't

4326
02:57:27,670 --> 02:57:24,399
want that adversary to know that we know

4327
02:57:30,230 --> 02:57:27,680
about their technology i get that

4328
02:57:33,670 --> 02:57:30,240
but if it's off planet

4329
02:57:36,309 --> 02:57:33,680
if it didn't originate here

4330
02:57:38,070 --> 02:57:36,319
there is no reason to keep this

4331
02:57:40,309 --> 02:57:38,080
classified

4332
02:57:41,990 --> 02:57:40,319
that's why we need jasha that's why we

4333
02:57:43,990 --> 02:57:42,000
need john greenwald that's why we need

4334
02:57:46,309 --> 02:57:44,000
the debrief that's why we need leslie

4335
02:57:47,590 --> 02:57:46,319
kane and ralph blumenthal and george

4336
02:57:50,790 --> 02:57:47,600
knapp and

4337
02:57:52,790 --> 02:57:50,800
and jacques valet even avi loeb even

4338
02:57:55,110 --> 02:57:52,800
tucker carlson

4339
02:57:57,830 --> 02:57:55,120
right and and the chris mellons and and

4340
02:57:59,670 --> 02:57:57,840
the lou elizondos of the world right

4341
02:58:01,670 --> 02:57:59,680
brian bender

4342
02:58:04,469 --> 02:58:01,680
that's why we need

4343
02:58:07,190 --> 02:58:04,479
journalists to keep the pressure on and

4344
02:58:09,429 --> 02:58:07,200
to keep searching for the truth

4345
02:58:10,550 --> 02:58:09,439
i will never stop i will never stop by

4346
02:58:12,309 --> 02:58:10,560
the way

4347
02:58:13,750 --> 02:58:12,319
i think on sunday i'm gonna hang out

4348
02:58:15,429 --> 02:58:13,760
with brian bender

4349
02:58:17,510 --> 02:58:15,439
looking forward to that

4350
02:58:19,670 --> 02:58:17,520
which means he'll be on fade to black

4351
02:58:21,910 --> 02:58:19,680
here really soon what a great show

4352
02:58:24,550 --> 02:58:21,920
tonight i want to thank jas shaw i had

4353
02:58:26,309 --> 02:58:24,560
listen but my my

4354
02:58:27,349 --> 02:58:26,319
my concerns

4355
02:58:30,070 --> 02:58:27,359
about

4356
02:58:32,550 --> 02:58:30,080
journalists and freedom of the press

4357
02:58:34,389 --> 02:58:32,560
and being able to keep the pressure on

4358
02:58:36,550 --> 02:58:34,399
and search for the truth are the

4359
02:58:39,830 --> 02:58:36,560
fundamentals of this country and they

4360
02:58:42,389 --> 02:58:39,840
are the reasons why i am here i have

4361
02:58:45,030 --> 02:58:42,399
demonstrated that for the last 10 years

4362
02:58:47,190 --> 02:58:45,040
and i will never stop i will never ever

4363
02:58:49,190 --> 02:58:47,200
stop i want to thank jazz sean everybody

4364
02:58:52,389 --> 02:58:49,200
else out there like jazz

4365
02:58:54,630 --> 02:58:52,399
that have chosen a career path to

4366
02:58:57,110 --> 02:58:54,640
benefit not only this community but this

4367
02:58:59,030 --> 02:58:57,120
entire planet i am your host jimmy

4368
02:59:02,309 --> 02:58:59,040
church that wraps another

4369
02:59:03,670 --> 02:59:02,319
another first time guests week here on

4370
02:59:05,910 --> 02:59:03,680
fade to black what a great night

4371
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4372
02:59:15,530 --> 02:59:13,030
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4373
02:59:17,750 --> 02:59:15,540
jazz shaw that dude stirs the pot

4374
02:59:20,070 --> 02:59:17,760
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